Talk:Pro Bowl/Archive 1

List of Pro Bowlers
The list of "Appearances" is incomplete. It itches for more. This should be it's own page listing every pro bowler with the number of selections. See "List of NBA All-Stars" for an example of how this should be. Andy2awesome (talk) 06:13, 4 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy2awesome (talk • contribs)

Selection Process?
A major issue with the Pro Bowl is the legitimacy of those chosen. The selection process should be made clear and ideally briefly discussed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JollyOldStNick08 (talk • contribs) 05:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

pro bowl mvps
i need help reformating the mvp section

Look Rem the AFL the NFL lists the pro bowls by the year the games is played in not the season. Anyother source is going to refer to Pro Bowl that is played in Feb 2004 as the 2004 Pro Bowl not the 2003 pro bowl. I also know that the NFL included the aFL all star games in their record book but I believe that we already listed on their own page 205.188.116.69 02:57, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm putting tables on the page. Zzyzx11 07:37, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

People are getting people's Pro Bowl Years Wrong
For example, Shawne Merriman was a rookie in 2005. It says his Pro Bowl was in 2005. Now Chad Johnson made the Pro Bowl for the 2005 season, but on his page on Wikipedia, it says he made it in 2006. The point I am making is that there needs to be something so that the Pro Bowl years are universal and that there is no confusion.CubsFan2006 19:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I take it you refer to confusion caused by most or all of the regular season being in year N and the Pro Bowl taking place in early part of year N+1, a situation also existing regarding the playoffs. (Jan. 1, 2012 was the last day of 2011 regular season, thus I had to add "most or".) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 16:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Contradiction?
In the "trivia section," it says "The Baltimore Ravens [... and] Cleveland Browns [...] have never had a player win an MVP award. However, the chart clearly shows that Jim Brown and Otto Graham both did for the Browns in the 1950's and 1960's. The question is, which team does that count under-- the team name (Browns) or the actual franchise (Ravens)? JMyrleFuller 02:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Officially, we are going as to what the official team records of the NFL say: the Ravens are regarded as a 1996 expansion team, while the Browns franchise "suspended operations" during the 1996-98 seasons. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * While that is the stupidest ruling in the history of God's green earth, it is the ruling. :( --Unexplainedbacon 13:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Special rules
I've been watching the Probrowl for the first time in many years and have noticed the announcers hint at several rule changes compared to the regular NFL-season, that fit in the scheme of softer play mentioned in the article (e.g. no challenges, no blitzing, no intentional grounding etc.) If somebody has an idea of all these different rules, I'd like to see a section in this article - due to an obvious lack of competency, I'm not able to add it myself.Rouven Thimm 13:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

'07 outcome
Someone needs to add it to avoid any more silly nonsense like what I just reverted from being added to the article. (I'm assuming AFC won by the way...)-Jeff (talk) 03:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Home Team
In what years is the NFC the home team? In what years is the AFC the designated home team? I could swear that the NFC was the home team the past two years. 76.21.45.13 18:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

'07 Pro Bowl?
Was this past Pro Bowl the 2007 Pro Bowl or the 2006 Pro Bowl? I've heard it referred to as both. It took place in 2007, but it came at the conclusion of the 2006 season. 76.21.45.13 18:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Coaches
How are the Pro Bowl Coaches picked?--TheNation 05:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The losing coaching staffs from the AFC and NFC championship games. Doctorindy (talk) 01:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Notice this excerpt from the article (I just made clarifying changes to the parenthetical remark: "The Pro Bowl head coaches are traditionally the head coaches of the teams that lost in the AFC and NFC championship games for the same season of the Pro Bowl in question (not the case for the 1980 and 1981 seasons, regarding the Pro Bowls played in 1981 and 1982)."

There is a later rule change (regarding choice of coaches) which is not part of my question. What was going on regarding choice of coaches in the 2 Pro Bowls just mentioned? (Please refer to the section "Coaches in Feb 81 and Feb 82 games" further below.)

Revision to Records section
A paragraph in the Records section should be revised.

The Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts players have won six MVP awards. Johnny Unitas (1959, 1960, 1963) won the MVP award three times. Bert Rechichar (1956), Marshall Faulk (1995), and Peyton Manning (2005) each won the MVP award once.

The Chicago Bears players have won five MVP awards. Gayle Sayers won the MVP award three times (1966, 1967, 1969) while Doug Atkins (1958) and Walter Payton (1978) won the MVP award once.

The Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams players won five MVP awards. Dan Towler (1951), Merlin Olsen (1968), James Harris (1975), Jerry Gray (1990), and Marc Bulger (2004) each won the MVP award once.

The Minnesota Vikings players have won four MVP awards. Fran Tarkenton (1964), Ahmad Rashad (1979), Randy Moss (2000), and Adrian Peterson (2008) each won the MVP award once.

The revised paragraph should be:

Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts players have won six MVP awards, more than any other team. Chicago Bears and Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams players have won five MVP awards. Minnesota Vikings, Pittsburgh Steelers, Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns players have won four MVP awards. 10 teams have won two, and 13 teams have won one each. The Baltimore Ravens, Carolina Panthers, Denver Broncos and Houston Texans have never had a player win an MVP award. Neither the Browns nor the Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals (who had two between 1951 and 1970) have had a player win an MVP award since the 1951-70 Pro Bowl era.

220.247.177.19 (talk) 02:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Also Joe Klecko is not the only player to go to the pro bowl at three different positions. Frank Gifford did at db/hb/fl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.138.138 (talk) 19:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Pro Bowl Betting Odds
The Pro Bowl Odds favorites for 2009 is the NFC with Quarterbacks Kurt Warner, Arizona; Drew Brees, New Orleans; Eli Manning, New York. The NFC is currently the 3 point pro bowl betting favorite to win the 2009 NFL pro Bowl —Preceding unsigned comment added by X126 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

removing "Pro Bowl Attitude" section
Fascinating subject, itself worthy of inclusion, but as it stands this section is OR, and has been tagged as needing cites for nearly a year. If anybody can cite sources for it, please feel free to put it back in some form. Until then, it doesn't belong. SixFourThree (talk) 14:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)SixFourThree

pov in criticism section
I think naming off a list of players who did or did not "deserve" inclusion in the pro bowl is obviously POV. I have removed the names of the players, except Favre, because it's accurate that he was voted in while leading the NFL in INTs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.221.246 (talk) 17:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Los Angeles Times Charities
I have nothing to cite here, but TTBOMK, from 1950 to 1969, the Pro Bowl was run by Los Angeles Times Charities as a fund raiser. Players received per diem but no game pay. The players were expected to do it to help the charity and to get a free trip to Los Angeles in the winter. By 1969, that free trip was no longer impressing the players. The league took over the Pro Bowl, the pay was increased, the free trip moved to Hawaii, but Los Angeles Times Charities still owns the name, and receives an annual payment from the NFL. I find it surprising that the Times is not mentioned at all in the article.  Randall Bart    Talk   03:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you can get something verifiable, add it Bagumba (talk) 06:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Barticus88's recall is at least partially correct, and I've updated the article (creating a "History of the Pro Bowl" section) that notes the game's re-boot in 1950-51. The game's sponsor was actually the "Los Angeles Publishers Association" which was a group which published four (I believe) LA-area newspapers (of which the Times was one). One stipulation of the original agreement was that the players receive at least $500. I haven't yet found any definitive source that states how long the relationship with the LAPA lasted. &mdash; DeeJayK (talk) 21:22, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Pay incentives
Can somebody say something about how much pay the players get? If the winners are paid a lot more than the losers, that would make them play hard instead of just going through the motions, which seems to be the main complaint about the game. The owners of the winning team should be paid more too.CountMacula (talk) 05:07, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am also working on adding detail on player payouts to the individual game articles. &mdash; DeeJayK (talk) 18:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Coaches in Feb 81 and Feb 82 games
were not the losing conference champ games coaches

Feb 81 for the game were Leeman Bennett Atlanta and Sam Rutigliano Cleveland.

http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/The_1981_Pro_Bowl.htm

Feb 82 McKay (Tampa) and Shula (Miami) http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/The_1982_Pro_Bowl.htm http://www.hulu.com/watch/205454/game-of-the-week-pro-bowl-afc-vs-nfc-1981 (Feb 82)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.169.161.1 (talk) 18:16, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

In the "Coaches" section further up, I have asked what the reason was for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 18:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've spent a little time researching this topic, but as yet I haven't found much information. The best source I have found is this article that notes the coaches for the 1982 Pro Bowl were determined through a "complicated formula", but it doesn't elaborate on what that formula might be. I'm still working on tracking down this answer and if/when I do I will update the article. &mdash; DeeJayK (talk) 18:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

How to handle case of player going to Super Bowl
Notice "In order to be considered a Pro Bowler for a given year, ...".

How is a player's resume' handled if he is selected for Pro Bowl but is not to play because it was then determined that his team is going to the Super Bowl? For example, Eli Manning was apparently selected as a reserve quarterback for the Pro Bowl which has now just taken place (Jan. 29, 2012). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 19:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Notice that this month (Jan. 2015) the captains drafted their teams on the Wednesday before the Pro Bowl, when it is ALREADY KNOWN what teams are going to the Super Bowl. Earlier, we have a case like Eli Manning's above: being selected for Pro Bowl but then not playing because his team was going to the Super Bowl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 16:54, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Please consider rewording regarding Sean Taylor.
I find this:

>The NFC took the field on defense for their first series with only 10 players on the field. He was later replaced by Roy Williams.

I am not QUITE sure what this means. Does it mean the NFC used only 10 players to leave a spot vacant in honor of Sean Taylor? Did Roy Williams then come in to fill that 11th spot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 16:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that wording is quite inelegant, but your interpretation of what occurred is correct. Feel free to copyedit the article as you see fit. &mdash; DeeJayK (talk) 01:59, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

SOMETHING SEEMS NOT RIGHT ABOUT WHO CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PRO BOWL
The second paragraph of the article says that the 2 teams that are playing the Superbowl cannot take part in the probowl. Here is the complete paragraph:"Unlike most other North American sports leagues, which hold their all-star games roughly midway through their respective regular seasons, the Pro Bowl is played around the end of the NFL season. Between the 1970 merger and 2009, it was usually held on the weekend after the Super Bowl. Since 2010, the Pro Bowl has been played on the weekend one week after the Conference Championship games, one week before the Super Bowl, and players from the two teams going for the Super Bowl do not participate."

But Tom Brady was the last 6 years (2009-2014) each year in the pro bowl according to his article :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady

See under his photo on the side in the part called :"Career highlights and awards". As all football fans know, his team was also in the super bowl 2014. So somehow that information is wrong, but I do not know what the correct information would be. It was a mere coincidence I even stumbled across the mistake. I was researching Tom Brady's Career, and thus saw the conflicting info, when looking up what the Probowl is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feyn137 (talk • contribs) 01:34, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What it boils down to is that a player is considered a "Pro Bowler" if he is selected to play in the Pro Bowl, regardless of whether he actually plays in the game (whether that absence is due to a Super Bowl-related conflict, an injury or even if the player chooses not to participate). As such, Brady is considered a Pro Bowl player even though he has missed the actual game on more than one occasion. &mdash; DeeJayK (talk) 01:57, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Cheerleader
Who chooses the cheerleaders at the Pro Bowl?--Falkmart (talk) 12:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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Jan 1, 1936 game in Denver
anyone know anything about this? NFL Champs Lions 33-0 NFL All-Stars selected by other teams played in Denver Jan 1, 1936 in front of 11,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.5.30 (talk) 15:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)