Talk:Proclus (Montanist)

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Declaring people heretics violates WP:NPOV. Jacob Haller 19:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's stupid. The people in question have all been dead for centuries, we hardly know what they believed anyway, and practically the only reason we have heard of them at all is because they were considered heretics by their contemporaries. "Heretic" is, de facto, a neutral historical term for people who were thrown out of mainstream Christian churches for teaching heterodox doctrines. The article is not "declaring" them heretics, it's simply describing a historical fact. Ming the Merciless 15:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Teacher of false religion" is not an NPOV description. Jacob Haller 19:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither is it an accurate definition of "heretic", which means "teacher of religious doctrine considered erroneous by a mainstream church". Ming the Merciless 11:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In my experience, the accusation of heresy is an accusation of grave religious error, not of grave religious error from the POV of a mainstream church; furthermore the classification of mainstream and non-mainstream is itself POV; and the argument that since the Montanists no longer exit, therefore they are not mainstream is victor's justice. Jacob Haller 12:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You talk like being a heretic is a bad thing. I'm a heretic and proud of it. Myopic Bookworm 09:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You believe things that you believe are in grave religious error? This sentence is a lie... Jacob Haller 17:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)