Talk:Professional wrestling throws/Archive 1

"Professional wrestling" is a sham. Although professional wrestling matches purport to be the real thing, they are choreograed for their effect on the audience. Often one of the wrestlers is portrayed as the hero and other as the villain. The referee is often portrayed as blind or bumbling.

My father was a referee for more than 40 years. One of the tricks he described is one in which one of the wrestlers put a headlock on his opponent. The referee would slip a taped up razor (with only a small corner showing} to the wrestler in the headlock. He would cut his own cheek.  Then the other wrestler would let go of the hadlock and hit him in the face with his fist (actually a glancing blow.) The blood would spurt and the crowd would go wild.

Most of the wrestling throws you mention would not occur in a real contest because they depemd on the cooperation of the oponent. They belong under the banner of show business, not wrestling.

Fred

Of course it's faked. I think you'd have a hard time finding anybody who doesn't know that pro wrestlers aren't actually fighting. Even the WWE acknowledges it, by calling it "sports entertainment". If you look at the pro wrestling article, you'll see that it does not claim that pro wrestling is a true competition. The introduction to this article also says that these techniques are by and large not allowed in amateur and Olympic wrestling.

I don't think that "it's not real" is a valid criticism of a form of entertainment. Do you watch only documentary movies and read nonfiction books? Did you hate Star Wars because lightsabers don't really exist and Yoda was a puppet?

To sum up, I'm not sure why you even posted that rant. I'm contributing to this article because I think that the information should be accessible to those who are interested. Gwalla 03:27, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)

Shooting star press
From Special:Recentchanges: The Shooting Star Press is a top-rope move where one wrestler is laying in the middle of the ring and the attacker is facing him on the ropes. The attacker the jumps forward, executing a backflip in mid-air, ending with the attacker landing on the opponent in the splash position. I found the above as a substub under Shooting Star Press and didn't redirect because I couldn't see this anywhere else, but I'm going to speedy delete it anyway. If this is an actual move, could someone who is in the know merge it with either this article or Professional wrestling holds, whichever is appropriate? --Ardonik.talk 04:02, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

The Shooting Star Press isn't a throw or a hold. It's considered a "high-flying move", which would place it in Professional wrestling high-flying techniques; this nonexistent article is currently a red link in the main Professional wrestling article. Dale Arnett 06:11, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

DDT
why is the DDT named after some chemical DDT???? I was under the impression it stood for Death Defying Trap. Feel free to prove me wrong, i haven't seen any evidence either way AlbinoMonkey

Jake the Snake, arguably the most famous user of the DDT as a finisher, referred to it at least once as "Damien's Dinner Time."

But I still say the best guess is that it was named after the chemical. --Jgriffey 17:31, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't remember Jake ever having used that name for the move. In fact, the only time I remember Jake being asked what the name DDT means, he repiled, simply, "It means the end!" --HBK 06:50, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

In a shoot interview Roberts was asked where he got the name DDT... he replied that during the time he was deciding on the name an incident was on the news about a DDT chemical spill so he decided to use the name DDT.---Paulley 15:24, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the DDT predates Jake the Snake's career. The name might not, however. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 05:56, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

A Stunner is not a Bulldog
I've tried to edit the various areas where a Stone Cold Stunner is described as a type of bulldog...that's just not the case. A bulldog ends with the opponent's head coming into contact with the mat, while the Stunner is more properly called a Three-Quarters Headlock Chinbreaker.

Just getting the terminology clear would be nice. --Jgriffey 17:32, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have made a jawbreaker section and placed it and related parts under that... hopefully that should clear things up.

--Paulley 18:58, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It doesn't look like the terminology is very clear in common use, though: both the "Book of 1000 Holds" site, and a wrestler I know call the Stunner/Ace Crusher/etc. a type of bulldog. Wrestling isn't exactly scientific, so there are some weird overlaps in terminology.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 01:37, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Crock tail DDT
plz can someone prove to me that this is actually a real move. even the person that wrote it says its never been used:

"This move has never been used by a professional wrestler but is invented by Mikael Samuelsson, Umeå, Sweden. Alias "the Crock"."

so why is it in this article???... at least can someone give it a technical name. Paulley 14:32, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Seems like it was invented by somebody for his e-fed character. The description was incoherent—it seems like it's supposed to be some sort of pumphandle DDT, but I wouldn't put money on it. I deleted it for being incomprehensible and under a neologism.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 02:24, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up Gwalla. Be on the look out, as more of these fake moves are appearing on the other wrestling move lists. Paulley 13:28, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Judgment Slam
Is there really such thing as a judgment slam? If there is such a thing PLEASE note an event in which it was used or I recommend somebody delete it.
 * Deleted. If somebody has evidence of its existence, they should provide it here in talk.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 06:49, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Its a move in "Smackdown Here Comes the Pain" and "Smackdown vs. Raw" for the PS2--- Paulley 12:10, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Is it ever actually used by a real wrestler, or is it just in those games?   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 23:59, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well i would highly doubt WWE would place a fake move in one of there games, though i do agree i would rather have some proof of use -- Paulley 11:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)