Talk:Programmer's Day

Deletion
This article was voted for deletion twice: in 2004 and in 2006. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 00:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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 * 18:01, 13 September 2007 Jaranda (talk | contribs) deleted "Programmer's Day" (CSD A7: Article about subject that does not assert significance.)
 * 17:54, 13 September 2007 Jaranda (talk | contribs) deleted "Programmer's Day" (nn holiday, give Reliable sources)
 * 16:56, 12 September 2005 Splash (talk | contribs) deleted "Programmer's Day" (redeleting; earlier VfD deletion not in log due to earlier version of MediaWiki software)
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 * 11:22, 13 September 2007 TKD (talk | contribs) deleted "Programmer's day" (WP:CSD#G4:Repost of deleted material. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Programmer's day)
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 * 08:33, 28 December 2007 East718 (talk | contribs) protected Programmers day (deprecating protected pages [create=sysop])  (hist)
 * 11:23, 13 September 2007 TKD (talk | contribs) deleted "Programmers day" (WP:CSD#G4: Repost of deleted material. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Programmer's day)
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 * 23:48, 29 October 2007 JLaTondre (talk | contribs) deleted "Programmer Day" (CSD G4: Recreation of deleted material - Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Programmer's_day)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 06:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Programmers& → Programmer's Day — Correct title in Russian of an official holiday: День программиста - singular not plural. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 00:38, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As often, Russian and English idiom differs. The English text of Medvedev's declaration uses the possessive plural, as is English custom; this honors all programmers, not each person his own programmer. If you think it important, add the difference in idiom to the article. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, the official English sources use the term "Programmers' Day", so that it should be. Since the correct Russian spelling is also provided in the article, it should be enough. --Koveras ☭ 05:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't realize this is a standard form in English. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
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Recommend Page to be Deleted
I haven't received a gift, and apparently nobody but programers who visit wiki know about this holiday, which represent about 0.000000000....(256 0's)2 percent of the human population. Programmer's Day isn't real, delete this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.135.17.66 (talk) 20:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

So because you don't have it, it isn't real? By your logic I don't think Florida is real! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1B8:10:14:0:0:0:FEED (talk) 08:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Correction on the grounds for the 256th day
Statement on article: "The number 256 (2^8) was chosen because it is the number of distinct values that can be represented with an eight-bit byte, a value well-known to programmers"

An unsigned 8-bit value can go as high as 255. For 256 to be represented one needs 9 bits. It can however hold 256 values (0 - 255).

I don't know whether the mentioned statement was meant as is. If it indeed meant to pick the highest power of 2 below 365, then okay, 256 makes sense -- but in this case, mentioning the 8-bit value is wrong (as 256 takes 9 bits). If the purpose however was to pick the highest representation on an 8-bit value, then it should have been 255, or at least mention that 'as we don't have day 0 out of a year, we assume all values are shifted by 1 and we get 256 instead of 255' -- no idea how you guys wanna make up for it, but the article should indeed be edited to reflect whatever the motivation was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.152.211 (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Its a mixed can of worms - often in counting, computers use 0..n-1 vs 1..n, and the programmer makes the necessary conversion of +1 when displaying it. So to non-programmers, 255 would be displayed as 256.159.153.129.39 (talk) 14:30, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah... that doesn't remedy what the original statement says. If that is indeed the rationale, it should be said so.  Stating that 256 can be represented by 8 bits is wrong. 89.181.152.211 (talk) 00:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The original statement that you quote ("The number 256 (2^8) was chosen because it is the number of distinct values that can be represented with an eight-bit byte, a value well-known to programmers") is correct: an n-bit sequence can represent 2^n distinct values. I'm not sure where you see that "256 can be represented by 8 bits". And even that statement is not incorrect (although it would require additional explanation), since interpretation of bit strings is another matter (the statement doesn't imply an unsigned char in C, for example). Кирилл Булыгин (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Official holiday in Russia
In the article is stated that on September 11, 2009 an executive order on a new professional holiday celebrating the Programmers' Day was signed. On the other hand, I see no sign of it among the Public holidays in Russia. Can someone verify the russian references about it, please? --Soujak (talk) 11:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a secular holdiay with working day. 91.224.103.48 (talk) 05:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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Lack of sources for "officially recognized in" countries
I undid this edit, as it gave no sources and was from an unknown editor. Please find some sources for this before adding more countries. An Owl Called Josh 🦉 (talk) 19:50, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Chinese Programmer's Day
Chinese Programmer's Day is 10.24 every year, and does not have a leap year issue.

Oct. 24th is stand for 1024, that is 2^10.

International or local?
@Alex.sagittarius Hi, Many other nations (apart Russia) celebrate this day as programmer's day, so it is an international day:

https://nationaldaycalendar.com/national-programmers-day-256th-day-of-the-year/

says it is international (not local). Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 08:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * What’s the site? I don't know this site
 * In Wiki Dates 7th January
 * https://www.wikidates.org/holiday/international-programmers-day_116.html
 * How many countries approved by decree? 1. Alex.sagittarius (talk) 08:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Alex.sagittarius At the top URL is quoted
 * "It is celebrated every year on the 256th day;"


 * I, my self, added days from January to September 13, this addition implies that the correct 256th day at least in Gregorian calendar is "September 13". How and why that URL computed 256th day of year as January 7th? Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 08:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 13 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Day of the Programmer → Programmer's Day – The same as other pages e.g., Engineer's Day, or Teachers' Day, etc. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 11:01, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Like other holidays (e.g., Engineer's Day), title of this article should change from "Day of the Programmer" to "Programmer's Day". Is there any objection? Tnx. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 08:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Komischn Isn't the title "Programmer's day" syntactically more correct in English? Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 10:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This is regarding the move done previously (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Day_of_the_Programmer&oldid=678180080). -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Following earlier discussion, should be Programmers' Day (plural, not singular). Streapadair (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I think this would be a better, more readable title
 * Cafkafk (talk) 19:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * Support more readable, aligns with other English holiday names based on a set/group of people, and what I have heard anecdotally in informal conversations in the US. I would support any of these three variants, each has prior similar holiday name, each has use in recent (2022) news. Tantek (talk) 19:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Programmers Day (like Siblings Day or International Lefthanders Day) — slight preference for this variant, shorter, easier to use (no need to remember where to put the apostrophe to get it right), use in news: Programmers Day 2022: History, Significance and Facts
 * Programmers' Day like International Workers' Day or Parents' Day, use in news: TRAIN DISPATCHING SIMULATOR ‘RAIL ROUTE’ RELEASES UPDATE IN HONOR OF PROGRAMMERS’ DAY
 * Programmer's Day like Children's Day, use in news: International Programmer’s Day: Celebrating the champions who run the show in the Tech World

Dia do Profissional de Informática
Brazil has something a bit similar: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dia_do_Profissional_de_Inform%C3%A1tica Syced (talk) 02:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)