Talk:Project Runway season 4

Elimination Table - Issues with accuracy and potential spoilers?
I might be on crack, but it seems like that with the current Elimination Table, it describes what happens throughout the entire season, giving the results for episodes that have not yet aired, and naming an ultimate winner. How can be this verified as accurate?

Elimination Table
SOMEONE FIX THE ELIMINATION TABLE.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed. --M ASEM 17:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Episode 2 website
I'm a bit confused. This page lists the epidsode 2 name as Money Changes Everything, but the Bravo website lists it as I Started Crying. Where did this name come from? CMacMillan (talk) 20:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It appeared in the on-screen viewing guide in some cable systems. It did in mine. My guess is that Bravo changed the title shortly before airing. --Crunch (talk) 00:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Episode 1 title
According to the Official Bravo TV Web Site, the title of Episode 1 was "Sew Us What You Got," not "Sew Me What You Got" and not  "Show Us What You've Got." I understand the last variation is grammatically correct, but unless or until Bravo changes the episode titles, let's make sure this article reflects the actual episode titles. --Crunch (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Episode 4 grid
As it stands, everyone in the last two teams got a low score. That's not really accurate, as the judges had kind things to say about Elisa and Sweet P--Victorya and Steve alone should get that designation.Epenthesis (talk) 05:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It was a team collaboration. I think we should do something that was done in season 3 for teams, and that is put (Low) instead of Low. The Parenthesies show that the whole team was low. Trevor  "Tinkleheimer"   Haworth  05:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * then do it

Chris and Episode 5
I think the note is fine and that the word BACK should be removed. Look at Project Runway Canada. Marie-Genevive (or something like that) was out, and then came back. Depending on Chris' status, it should say HIGH, IN, LOW, or OUT. Not BACK. :) Trevor   "Tinkleheimer"   Haworth  03:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Adjusted the grid the way they did it last season. This way the chronology of the episodes is more clear I think. Slaapwel (talk) 22:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The chronology of the episodes isn't important, who was currently in the competition is more important. See Project Runway Canada (Marie Genevive) and Top Chef (Season 1)(Andrea ((I think that's her name))). Trevor  "Tinkleheimer"   Haworth  00:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree and undid your changes again. Your grid didn't even mention episode 4. The grid how it is now shows clearly who left when and it's still clear who is in the competition. Slaapwel (talk) 08:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the thing about Episode 4, however I still feel mine is better. It should be noted that Chris was Eliminated in Episode 4, but brought back in Episode 5. Hopefully someone else will come in so we can get a third opinion. Trevor  "Tinkleheimer"   Haworth  14:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think between the table footnote and episode description that it is clear Chris was eliminated in Ep4, returned in Ep5. I do not believe it is appropriate to stick Chris at the bottom, however, just to have the clear stair-step look of the OUTs or the numerical order in the "eliminated" column as it shows some bias - ok, yes, Chris was given a second reprive, but as the show is treating him, he's just now a valid contender as the others, what happened in past episodes doesn't matter.  I recommend keeping all remaining contestants in alpha order. --M ASEM  16:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Episode 6?
In the grid the results of a sixth episode are shown yet I´m sure it has not aired. On top of that there is no discription of the episode in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.232.124.38 (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Orange Background and "Bottom Two"
Currently, the grid column for each episode includes an orange background and "LOW" to indicate that a designer was not eliminated but was in the "bottom two." However, is there any source that indicates that the last two designers on the runway are actually the bottom two? The three lowest scorers are identified, and only one is eliminated. But when they tell one of the three lowest scorers that he or she is still "in," I've never heard them state that this person actually had the highest score among the three low scorers, just that they did not have the lowest score. If they producers feel that it would make for more dramatic television to have it down to the actual bottom scorer and the third-lowest scorer, they could have the judges announce that the second-lowest scorer is "in" first; there's no reason they can't do this, and in fact American Idol and Dancing with the Stars are both known to treat eliminations similarly. --DavidK93 (talk) 14:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd agree here. I haven't really been active with the previous seasons, but for a casual viewer like me, the table is too multicolored. I'd even go so far as to remove the "QUIT" designation and just replace it with a superscripted footnote. Theygoboom13 (talk) 06:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I have to disagree with you. I personally think that the orange "Bottom 2" is helpful in the table, and although it isn' explicitely said during the episode, it is fairly obvious. I can see how WP:OR plays in here though.

And once again I feel that the color for Jacks leaving does not go well with the other table. I felt it looked best when it was LightGray and then the shaded part was DarkGray. Trevor  "Tinkleheimer"   Haworth  19:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * In previous seasons, Heidi has stated "Blah and Blah, you have the lowest 2 scores..." and then cited the reasons for this. My recollection to date for this season is that she has not said this.  If she did, I would be ok with the bottom 2, but as it is not said, it cannot be verified.  I have tried to revert this but someone keeps undoing it. --M ASEM  00:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it cannot be verified, but it has been stated before. The show format hasn't changed and it IS obvious. Ignore all rules, i also stand by the orange background.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 00:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with WP:IAR here. Trevor  "Tinkleheimer"   Haworth  06:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

IT'S OFFICIAL: EPISODE 10
TITLE: "RAW TALENT"

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Episode 11 / Bryant Park
My understanding is that, because the Bryant Park show actually took place prior to the airing of this episode, all of the designers who were still competing as of the end of the previous episode showed collections at Bryant Park, even though two of them (Sweet P and either Chris or Rami) had been eliminated; those two acted as decoys, so that the Bryant Park show wouldn't reveal the actual final three, weeks before the episode in which they were determined was to air. Can anyone find a source to verify this, so that this information can be added to the article? --DavidK93 (talk) 15:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

It's true. Source: All five collections --Crunch (talk) 16:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

It's Sew Not Over
We should add this to the article. It is an extension of Season 4.  &lt;3  Tinkleheimer   TALK!!  02:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)