Talk:Propaganda in Japan during the Second Sino-Japanese War and World War II

Unreferenced
Cutting this as unreferenced, and also only tangential related. Goldfritha (talk) 01:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * In the fifteen years from 1931 to 1945, prior to World War II, Japan was already occupied making itself a power in the region by invading China and other Asian nations. Wartime propaganda cannot be separated from Imperial propaganda. There was no central agency controlling propaganda during wartime or the occupation.


 * Strictly speaking those ideas still continue to a certain extent today in the form of different types of advertising, marketing and public relation venues. During World War II many different methods were used-radio, television, plays and popular entertainment-to help rally support for the war and create a sense of nationalism.


 * Unlike in the United States, such propaganda was encouraged, shared and often developed from the common worker in order to bring all Japanese together. Seeing itself as the leader of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, and as the modern intellectual leader of Asia, Japan therefore used propaganda to help not only spread that message, but used it to bolster support after entering World War II in 1939.


 * That seems like a good move. This was an awful-quality article on what's a fairly important topic and your changes are for the better. Nick-D (talk) 11:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

An Allied war, not an American one
Surprise, surprise. To read this article you'd think that only America fought in the Pacific War. There was plenty of Japanese propaganda aimed at the Australians, the British, the Dutch who were fighting in the Pacific arena etc etc - not that you'd know from reading this article. For shame. 86.133.212.159 (talk) 07:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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Title for period and article
"During World War II" is a misnomer, as the article rightly covers the preceding Sino-Japanese War. The matching article for Germany is called simply "Nazi propaganda", unquestionably a better title.

The equivalent for Japan, cf Statism in Shōwa Japan, could be Propaganda in fascist Japan or perhaps Japanese fascist propaganda. (The term Shōwa is too broad as it continues to 1989, though we could say Shōwa nationalist propaganda.) Such a title would correctly indicate the period, and equally importantly the ideology, concerned. What do other editors feel about renaming the article in this way? Of course the existing title would remain as a redirect, concerning the latter part of the period concerned. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Chiswick Chap. Zezen (talk) 13:45, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Since much time has passed and nobody has objected, I'll boldly make the move and create the redirects. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:16, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I strongly oppose this new title. While the old title had too narrow of a narrow focus, this new title is false. While some historians call Japan "fascist," this is basically to fit in with the "freedom vs fascism" narrative of WW2. Japan did not suddenly change like Italy or Germany; it's government slowly became heavily influenced by the military (i.e. Militarism), and Japanese people had been heavily indoctrinated and nationalistic since the 1880s. The Emperor was already a strong figure under Meiji, the Japanese were very nationalistic, and Japan was already aggressively expanding against its neighbors by the early 1870s. Was Meiji Japan fascist too? No, it was an imperial monarchy centered on nationalism, which Japan basically still was until 1945.
 * A better title would be Shōwa nationalist propaganda or Japanese propaganda during the late imperial era, if the goal of this article is to only cover 1931-1945.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 04:18, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, clearly different opinions are possible, and we must especially be wary of "strongly" held points of view here. I note that a measure of agreement was reached after a quiet discussion, and suggest we await the independent opinions of other editors before making any decision on this. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:34, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The current title is still a misnomer, although the Imperial Rule Assistance Association is sometimes called "a fascist" political party it is usually referred to as a "statist" one. Even the idea that Nazi Germany was fascist is disputed so I am not sure if using the title "fascist Japan" here is wise as it could be misleading to readers with very little understanding of politics. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Sockpuppets 🎭) (Articles 📚) 15:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. World War II-era Japan is rarely called a 'fascist' state in reliable sources, and doing so falsely imposes European political ideologies on what was a quite different country. Nick-D (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I support the current title of the article. Japan from 1931-1945 meets the definition of fascism stipulated in the Wikipedia article on the subject. Holden3172 (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2018 (UTC)Holden3172
 * What reliable sources call Japan of this era 'fascist'? Your own interpretation of a Wikipedia article is not relevant. Nick-D (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't something like "Imperial Japanese Propaganda in the Showa Era" or just "Propaganda in Imperial Japan"(the name highlighted in the lead section) be a better title than 'Propaganda in fascist Japan'? Imperial Japan's militarism and nationalism share elements with European fascism, but those two things alone do not make it fascist -- especially as it arrived at its state of affairs completely independent of Mussolini founding fascism. Mr. Phorcys (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * As have been pointed out by many above, there is a lot wrong with this recent move. A simple solution to the opener's original concern would be "Propaganda in Japan during the Second Sino-Japanese War and World War II". As it stands, there is no consensus for the current title and it was moved with virtually no discussion. Also note that the Second Sino-Japanese War is often considered part of World War II. Vivexdino (talk) 07:14, 5 May 2018 (UTC)