Talk:Propaganda in the Mexican drug war

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The second paragraph claims that Blog Del Narco has been shut down by the government, but as of this morning it's up and reporting on the capture of Chapo Guzman. Can anyone verify the dates it was brought down/restored? If it actually was shut down that's relevant to the article so I don't want to just remove that section, but it should at least be edited to reflect that the site is up currently. GringoDeMaio (talk) 12:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * GringoDeMaio, the original Blog del Narco has been closed since May 2013. That are other pages that claim to be Blog del Narco, but this is the original one. Most of the other pages are unreliable, poorly written, and oftentimes engage in plagiarism (some accused the original blogger of engaging in plagiarism too, mostly by the end of her career). The government had nothing to do with its closure; the blogger fled Mexico after his collaborator was reportedly kidnapped. ComputerJA (  ☎  •  ✎  ) 19:17, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Credit where credit is due
This article was originally created by user:CeceliaXIV at Mexican Drug War on April 9th 2012 and split from that article to its own.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Original research
There's a lot of original research in this article. Most of the citations don't necessarily talk about the subject at hand with in-depth analysis of how it relates to the "propaganda" in the Mexican Drug War. I'm not aware that of anything known as "Propaganda in the Mexican Drug War." I might just entirely rewrite the article. ComputerJA (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

ComputerJA,

If you go through the sources (especially the books) many actually use the word propaganda when discussing the cartels use of banners, music, etc. Even if you google "cartel propaganda" or related terms, multiple sources will pop up explaining and displaying propaganda issued by the cartels.

Also, Narcoculture is most definitely a part of propaganda. Using local culture to advance one's methods is one of the most successful tools for propaganda.

CeceliaXIV (talk) 18:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think I can concede with you. Narcocultura is exactly what is is – narcocultura. If anything, it should have a separate article or go as a background for the narcocorridos article, since they were not mutually exclusive. Most of the "sources" in this article talk about their respective topics (i.e. banners, wars declared over the internet, media censorship, etc.), and I see no direct references to "propagandistic" content. Please read WP:SYN: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources."


 * I'm still pondering whether I can fix this article. I'll look more into it, but I'm interested in your reply and in working with you. Best, ComputerJA (talk) 03:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

When you say the respective topics (banners, wars over the internet, media censorship. etc) those are avenues for propaganda campaigns. I understand your argument but how is narcocorridos not propaganda? How are banners not a form of influence?

To improve this article, what should be done perhaps change the title to Mexican Drug Cartel Information Warfare or Cartel Information Operations. That may be a more appropriate title and expand upon the different elements of IO (propaganda, deception, cyber, psychological operations, electronic warfare).

CeceliaXIV (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand. The only complain I have is that it violates the WP:SYN guideline.


 * The title is perfectly fine. There are other articles with similar titles. The only problem I have is that the sources are misleading.


 * "how is narcocorridos not propaganda"
 * How is it propaganda? Are there any sources that explicitly indicate this? Just a thought. ComputerJA (talk) 16:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

--I'd like to point out that The Knights Templar are not a religious group of civilians, it's another cartel, just like the zetas. You can actually read about it here; http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caballeros_templarios_(c%C3%A1rtel) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.163.46.141 (talk) 22:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Regarding the Knights Templar. You are right, they are not a religious group..that is the point.
 * CeceliaXIV (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Drug Wars: Narco Warfare in the 21st Century
Should this article really be using a self-published book from BookSurge Publishing, a vanity press, per WP:USERG? --92.4.165.211 (talk) 00:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)