Talk:Propedeuse

This is not entirely true.

Propdeuses are still very common at hogescholen, but not so much at universities. A special diploma is rarely issued and ceremonies are also rare. The word propedeuse is still used (between students, mostly) to express the fact that you completed your first year.

At the universities, pretty much all studies have a bindend studie advies (binding study advise). This usually is between 30 and 40 ects, and some universities/studies have additional requirements (it may be obligated to pass calculus, for example). And if you don't get the 30-40 ects (+ possible requirements), you can't continue you study. (You can choose another one at the same university though). Also, if there are special circumstances, you can go to a special committee. If you just pass your 'bindend studie advies' but still don't have a lot of points, you may be advised to seek another study, but you may continue.

I would correct the article myself, but I fear my english is not good enough to do this.

I was just thinking, could a dutch 'Propedeuse' be equal (in status) to an American Associate's degree, or well, any certificate of completion of lower-division courses? I'm just a student myself, and stumbled upon this idea in my mind, could someone with proper knowledge of both systems judge if these degrees are (roughly) equal? (As in, for resume status and student transfers?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.31.151 (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Taken from my diploma supplement: "Short-cycle higher-education leading to the Associate's degree is offered by universities of applied sciences." and "An Associate's degree in the applied arts and sciences requires teh completion of 120 credits (2 years).". The "universities of applied sciences" mentioned in my quote are the "hogescholen" (plural of "hogeschool") from the article. Furthermore it is important to note that the Propaedeutic diploma does not grant any right outside of the educational system. In other words, it is not a recognized degree. So there is definitely a marked difference with a Propaedeutic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddyspeeder (talk • contribs) 15:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)