Talk:Proposed expansion of the New York City Subway

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Very nice and detailed article. I made minor changes and reformatted to adhere more to Wikistyles. Keep up the good work! Cecropia 07:20, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

2nd phase of the IND
Starting uptown on the A train at 145 Street, get off the head car and look into the tunnel. You will see a bellmouth heading towards the Bronx. It seems Mayor Hyland wanted the A and C lines to go to the Bronx also. This is documented in the NY times fantasy map of 1929. I don`t know if there is a pocket N/B between 155 Street & 145 Street.

174th Street yard on the C line and beyound 168th Street, the IND was supposed to cross the Hudson River, along with yet to be determined R.R.lines on the 2nd level of the George Washington Bridge. The IND was to go to Fort Lee, N.J.

At East B`way on the F Line, there locked stairs at the north end of the station that was supposed to lead up to where the Worth Street subway was to have a transfer station at. Nothing of the station was built. From one end to the other there is an empty space paralelling the station below. I`ve been up there several times.

Between Canal Street and Chambers Street - World Trade Center on the E are 2 tunnel pockets for the proposed Worth Street Subway. There is probably an underjump in place. I don`t know if any tunnel was constructed beyond these pockets.

2nd Avenue on the F and V - Above the station provisions were made for a 4 track express station for the 2nd Ave subway. This is the only construction of the 1931 2nd Ave subway that I know of. The 2 layup tracks were to go under the East River on the true north side of the Willamsbrug Bridge. The Worth St. Tunnel was to be on the south side. The lines were to meet up at the South 4th Street station which is above the Broadway station on the IND Crosstown G line in Brooklyn. The 1st plan was to be a 8 track station above Broadway station on the IND Crosstown G line. As we know it was scaled back to 6 tracks and a shell station was built above it. Interestingly, the South 4th Street station tunnels extend for apx. 130 feet which is outside of the G line's property.

Also at the Utica Avenue/Fulton Street station on the A and C lines, a shell station exists above the station.

At Bedford/Nostrand Avenue station on the G - Below the G line is a subway tunnel built by the BRT for a planned extension of the Franklin Avenue Shuttle to Queens Plaza/Queensborough Plaza following basically what is now the IND Crosstown G line. This was supposed to be a combination of Subway & Elevated. Joe Brennan confirms this on his website, plus I know 2 maintainers who rediscovered the tunnel in 1965. All the top T.A. brass were down there. They have no blueprints on this tunnel.

The A and C lines between Broadway Junction & Liberty Avenue - 2 tunnel pockets at Jamaica Avenue for a proposed Jamaica Avenue Subway. Underjump was probably built. Nothing on model board at the East New York tower to show this.

I've posted in the past of 76th Street and 66th Avenue/Queens Blvd, so I'll just mention them to keep things in context. If I have left anything out, feel free to include them. Special:Contributions/96.250.192.111|96.250.192.111]] (talk) 22:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Barry

Provisons for the IND Second System
I found lots of provisions was actually built or started for the IND Second System (A more detailing list)....

Built-but-never-used upper level station above the active Roosevelt Avenue platforms on the E, F, G, R, and V lines, and the bellmouths east of the station, next to the local tracks.

Bellmouths east of 63rd Drive-Rego Park on the G, R and V lines.

Unused trackways on both sides of the Woodhaven Blvd station on the G, R and V lines.

Bellmouths existed south of the Briarwood-Van Wyck Blvd station on the E and F. These are now used for the going towards Jamaica Center–Parsons/Archer, via Archer Ave. Line.

The 2 level, 8 tail/relay tracks east of 179 Street on the F.

The tail tracks after 205 Street on the D line.

North of Grand Street on the B and D.

Express tracks east of 2nd Avenue on the F and V.

Blow-out in the tunnel south of Canal Street on the E.

Unused trackway on the northern end on the upper level at East Broadway on the F.

2nd Avenue end of the 2nd Avenue station on the F and V.

Upper Level station shell above Utica Avenue on the A and C.

Upper Level station shell above the Broadway station on the G.

Behind the walls at Nostrand Ave on the Lower Level (C Train level).

Hillside Ave, around 212th Street. A station shell built over there. Somewhere I read, that the skylights was built on the islands or on the sidewalk.

Around Alley Pond Park, (I forgot where) with some tunnel and maybe a portal built there.

Between 7th Avenue and Church Avenue on the F and G. There is a bellmouth on the express tracks level, which would be the start of a line to run down Ft. Hamilton Pkwy, and eventually going to Staten Island.

Extention of the A and C lines east of the Euclid Avenue station, which was to connect with the route coming south from Van Wyck Blvd and going to Springfield Blvd.

The middle track at Bedford-Nostrand Avenue on the G.

Bellmouths east of the Lexington Avenue/63rd Street station on the F train.

Middle trackway at Classon Avenue on the G.

A bellmouth south of the West Fourth Street–Washington Square station on the F and V trains, next to the Queens-bound local track.

Other provisions for lines that is not part of the IND 2nd System, but on other existing IND Lines:

Tail tracks east of Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, on the upper level (E Line).

A Bellmouth east of the 21st Street-Queensbridge station on the F.

Bellmouths east of the Broadway Junction station on the A and C lines.

--96.250.192.111 (talk) 15:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC) Barry

IND Fulton Street Line extension provisions
A skylight is rumored to exist at the northeast corner of Pitkin Avenue and 80th Street, supposedly for the cancelled IND Fulton Street Line extension. I just saw that on Google Street View of that alleged skylight tonight. Should I provide a link? -User:DanTD (talk) 04:06, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

If you look on subchat and search 76 st, the people think that it is for CON EDISON, but maybe i am being confused with a different one. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

See also section
Come on Melbourne... There are any number of cities with planned extensions or similar proposals. Either we have a shopping list of all the world or this section should be deleted. Tigerman2005 (talk) 05:36, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. Removed the section. – Fitnr 14:37, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Staten
is there proposals historically to extend the subway to Staten Island similar to NJ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.202.218.94 (talk) 09:18, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There was proposals for a Staten Island Tunnel that would have joined the Staten Island Railway to the subway system via the BMT Fourth Avenue Line. oknazevad (talk) 17:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

What should be done with this proposal from 1932
I think that a similar template to the 1929 should be done with this plan. At least these proposals should be detailed. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:13, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can send the data over to me first, using the Email function, and I will make a table. Or, you can make a bulleted list with basic info, such as in the 1940 and 1968 sections. Epic Genius (talk) 18:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Utica Avenue Subway
Do you think that it is notable enough to have its own article, or would construction on the line have to be planned?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I don't know. If there have been several notable proposals, then yes, it should be its own article. If it was just the Second System and de Blasio's announcement, then no. epicgenius (talk) 23:20, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:37, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

There is the IRT one from the 1910s, which more research can be done on. There is the 1929 and 1939 plans. There are reoccurring plans in the 1940s and 1950s. There is one from the Program for Action. For this one, a report was done (someone on subchat has it). There were several proposals. More research would have to be done on some of the specific plans.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:37, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , All right, I guess that might be enough for now to create a draft article. epicgenius (talk) 00:07, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Inclusion of South Ferry project in this article
I don't think it makes sense to have the South Ferry station project in this article as it is not an extension, but a replacement of a station. Do you agree?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I agree, we should remove it. epicgenius (talk) 23:21, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Draft for the Interborough Express?
The proposed rail line is getting a lot of attention. I know it has a section in the article, but with this being a pretty big and fairly doable proposal (given the existing rail line), would it make sense to make a draft or even article for the Interborough Express? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 22:01, 20 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree and was thinking of creating one myself Esolo5002 (talk) 23:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)