Talk:Prostitution in China/Archive 2

Math doesn't work out
The article states that 1 in 200 are HIV positive, but according to a different study it's 5%, which is double. However, 1 / 200 * 2 = 1%, not 5%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.64.185.43 (talk) 18:42, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The big problem With this section is its conspiracy theory towards Chinese coverup. The author needs to cite a source or it is just heresy. It is embarrassing that nobody caught this before me, Wikipedia needs to be held to a higher standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.53.148.167 (talk) 19:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

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to.94.175.118.39‎ 'Chinese-Proti, you're not Chinese because that link talks about mail order brides from South Korea. So how you got prostitution from that article is beyond me.'' A: What makes you so positive? What is your problem with that? WIKIPEDIA : should be the records of facts only. and I have many Chinese data more ! ( http://www.hiycn.com/content/20110321/5076.html ..) A2: HONG KONG.. : another categorie


 * I am not 94.175.118.39‎, but they're right, that link does not talk about prostitution at all. Furthermore, your other link, even if it was a reliable source (which is isn't) doesn't actually make the assertion that "China is the number one exporter of prostitutes". You are obviously an English beginner so I'll point it out for you: there is a question mark at the end of the sentence, which is a typical journalistic way of not-quite-making a claim, because the journalist can't be bothered to check it. – Smyth\talk 12:35, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Sex worker trustworthiness
I'm removing this passage:

"In a 2009 poll by Insight China magazine, 7.9% of Chinese respondents said sex workers in the country were "trustworthy", ranking them third after farmers and religious workers.[104]"

While the information is interesting, it's reliability seems highly questionable because:

1. It's an online survey (which often suffer from huge sampling biases), nothing more is revealed about the methodology.

2. The 7.9% number seems so low as to not be very relevant. Does it mean a whopping 92.1% find sex workers "untrustworthy"? We don't know, because there is no primary source.

3. Difficulty in establishing the origin of the claim. The current BBC reference (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8183502.stm) seems to basically have knocked off the more substantial source at China Daily (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2009-08/04/content_8515596.htm), only changing the magazine's name from "Xiaokang Magazine" to "Insight China". Regardless of the name, I can't find the original source. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaokang) claims Xiaokang is "a semi-monthly magazine that is affiliated to the Qiushi Magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiushi), the party-run magazine in Beijing". Would a magazine linked to the party really publish such embarrassing results?

If anyone does insist on putting the poll back in, I would suggest:

A. Add a reference to ChinaDaily at http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2009-08/04/content_8515596.htm B. Explicitly state that it is an online poll

183.39.218.19 (talk) 11:52, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Ethnic minority women from China trafficked as prostitutes to Southeast Asia
Non-Han Chinese, Ethnic minority women, especially from China's southwestern province like Yunnan are trafficked as prostitutes to southeast asian countries like Thailand and Malaysia. Alot of these women are actually voluntary like the Dai women. They were in demand by Malaysian Chinese clients and some sought to get themselves married to overseas Chinese from those places.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-12925349_ITM

http://www.scmp.com/article/465894/yunnan-women-flock-thai-sex-industry "Yunnan women flock to Thai sex industry"

- South China Morning Post

Aug 9, 2004

Poverty drives members of ethnic minority groups to head across the border. Women from at least half the households in some Yunnan counties have worked in the sex industry in Thailand, according to a United Nations report.

http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---asia/---ro-bangkok/documents/publication/wcms_bk_pb_10_en.pdf

"There are reports that many Thai hilltribe chil- dren have been trafficked to the nationís urban areas for prostitution. Thailand also draws children from [b]ethnic minorities[/b] in Yunnan Province, China into its sex trade."

http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---asia/---ro-bangkok/documents/publication/wcms_bk_pb_7_en.pdf

"Thailand also draws children from ethnic minorities in Yunnan Province, China into its sex trade."

http://factsanddetails.com/asian/cat66/sub419/item2758.html#chapter-6

"Dai Women Willingly Seeking Work as Prostitutes

An increasing number if young women in Yunnan Province are willingly going to Thailand and Malaysia to work as prostitutes or are being ordered by their families to work in brothels in these countries because the money is good. Girls from the Dai minority are particularly sought after in Thailand because they are regarded as beautiful and their language is similar to Thai.

One 20-year-old woman in the Mekong River village of Langle told the New York Times, If you ca't go to Thailand and you are a young woman here, what can you do? You plant and you harvest. But in Thailand and Malaysia I heard it was pretty easy to earn money so I went....All the girls would like to go, but some have to take care of their parents.

The girls work in bars and most of the money they take in tricks goes to their pimp or brothel owner. The money they earn comes from tips by customers. Many make their way across the border hidden in the baggage compartment of buses and hope to get lucky and meet and marry an overseas Chinese or at least bring enough money back for a better life for themselves and their families.

Many are unable to save much even after a couple of years. Some do quite well and this is often reflected by the nice homeswith satellite television, air conditioning, generators and tile designsin the home of their parents. Some families with several daughters live in chateau-like homes with chandeliers, leather-covered sofas, golden Buddhist altars and fancy home entertainment centers. Dai boys often do't like the set up because the girls who return from Malaysia and Thailand come back snobby and do't want to have anything to do with them."

Langle village is in a Dai-Lahu dominated autonomous area- Menglian Dai, Lahu and Va Autonomous County, and it is known for exporting prostitutes to Thailand. Mengbin is a Dai village inside of Langle which thrives on this.

http://www.cfguide.com/vil/langle_597389.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/03/international/asia/03china.html?_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/03/world/asia/03iht-china.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=zDCCHUgsvhcC&pg=PA106&dq=dai+prostitutes+thailand&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vkIBU-KbGobi0wHqtYG4BA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=dai%20prostitutes%20thailand&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=zDCCHUgsvhcC&pg=PA107&dq=Dai+sex+work+Thailand&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EUMBU-mqLcTx0gGzmoDIDw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Dai%20sex%20work%20Thailand&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=3EWAAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA146&dq=Dai+sex+work+Thailand&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EUMBU-mqLcTx0gGzmoDIDw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Dai%20sex%20work%20Thailand&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=kg5GAAAAMAAJ&q=Dai+sex+work+Thailand&dq=Dai+sex+work+Thailand&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EUMBU-mqLcTx0gGzmoDIDw&ved=0CF0Q6AEwBw

HIV AIDS http://books.google.com/books?id=nG5ZpQJlpBoC&pg=PA222&dq=Dai+sex+work+Thailand&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EUMBU-mqLcTx0gGzmoDIDw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Dai%20sex%20work%20Thailand&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=UQKyAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA17&dq=dai+prostitutes+thailand&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vkIBU-KbGobi0wHqtYG4BA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAjgU#v=onepage&q=dai%20prostitutes%20thailand&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=nVXxMZOkWr0C&pg=PA91&dq=dai+prostitutes+thailand&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vkIBU-KbGobi0wHqtYG4BA&ved=0CGIQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=dai%20prostitutes%20thailand&f=false

Lahu

http://books.google.com/books?id=0S9-AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT199&dq=and+women+for+thesex+industry+in+Thailand,especially+from+highland+minority+groups+in+Burma+and+Yunnan+(+China).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aQX8Ut34B4fa0QHj44CIBg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=and%20women%20for%20thesex%20industry%20in%20Thailand%2Cespecially%20from%20highland%20minority%20groups%20in%20Burma%20and%20Yunnan%20(%20China).&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=0S9-AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT199&dq=yunnan+thailand+prostitute+minority&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2gX8Uu_4CsXv0gGQsoHQBw&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=yunnan%20thailand%20prostitute%20minority&f=false

"and women for the sex industry in Thailand,especially from highland minority groups in Burma and Yunnan ( China)."

http://books.google.com/books?id=TeVRY5krNKkC&pg=PT1&dq=Lahu+trafficked+women&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Aj8Uo-gH6b_0wHx_4GYCQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Lahu%20trafficked%20women&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JJ3ZkzepOzYC&pg=PA138&dq=Lahu+marriage+han&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ygj8Uoq_CqPk0wGtr4DYDw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Human%20trafficking%20women&f=false

Malaysian Chinese tourists in Thailand drive the demand for ethnic minority prostitutes from China.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ru-q8GVoinsC&pg=PA138&dq=yunnan+minority+women+trafficked&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XAn8UtK_FujS0wHosoGoBQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=yunnan%20minority%20women%20trafficked&f=false

Vietnamese prostitutes in Yunnan

http://resourcecentre.savethechildren.se/sites/default/files/documents/2400.pdf

Rajmaan (talk) 00:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Vietnamese prostitutes in China
http://www.humantrafficking.org/updates/219

http://vietnamnews.vn/society/240746/prostitutes-lured-to-china-returned-home.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120623/as-china-abducted-vietnamese/

http://allianceantitrafic.org/news/?p=346

18:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Vietnamese prostitutes in china during the french colonial era

http://books.google.com/books?id=Th1JC4cGJLkC&pg=PA207#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=a3sf8GI5pFIC&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false

Fujianese in europe and vietnamese

http://books.google.com/books?id=pKapHGcmeIEC&pg=PA144#v=onepage&q&f=false

Vietnamese prostitutes and vendors in the vietnamese street or market in hekou, yunnan province

http://books.google.com/books?id=DSFCUDpj3jcC&pg=PA101#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=2SiSHXo2hGwC&pg=PT116&dq=vietnamese+street+hekou&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qb7pUOW6Gui10AGJ4YDoBA&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=H0PXkzgcdRQC&pg=PA212&dq=vietnamese+street+hekou&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qb7pUOW6Gui10AGJ4YDoBA&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=vietnamese%20street%20hekou&f=false

Page 13

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Page 26

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http://books.google.com/books?id=hxK6SyEdFZMC&pg=PA128&dq=vietnamese+street+hekou&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yMDpUJ_eKqm90AGji4DwAQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAjgU#v=onepage&q=vietnamese%20street%20hekou&f=false

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Vietnam violence

http://books.google.com/books?id=H0PXkzgcdRQC&pg=PA211#v=onepage&q&f=false

Vietnamese women vendors in hekou

http://books.google.com/books?id=VHdzhNJ4td4C&pg=PA14&dq=vietnamese+street+hekou&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yMDpUJ_eKqm90AGji4DwAQ&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBzgU#v=onepage&q=vietnamese%20street%20hekou&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=IOBfpUEPYl4C&pg=PA398&dq=vietnamese+street+hekou&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qb7pUOW6Gui10AGJ4YDoBA&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=vietnamese%20street%20hekou&f=false

A "yellow trade" of Vietnamese women developed in Colonial Indochina where Vietnamese women were trafficked and sold accross the border to China as concubines.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Y2KhCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA146&dq=colonial+vietnamese+women+trafficking&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAGoVChMIjNXmg7XZyAIVCXA-Ch34Tgfb#v=onepage&q=colonial%20vietnamese%20women%20trafficking&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=a3sf8GI5pFIC&pg=PA25&dq=colonial+vietnamese+women+trafficking&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q6AEwA2oVChMIjNXmg7XZyAIVCXA-Ch34Tgfb#v=onepage&q=colonial%20vietnamese%20women%20trafficking&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=a3sf8GI5pFIC&pg=PA27#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=7vN6BgAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&dq=colonial+vietnamese+women+trafficking&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAWoVChMIjNXmg7XZyAIVCXA-Ch34Tgfb#v=onepage&q=colonial%20vietnamese%20women%20trafficking&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=_d_A5kcaKAAC&pg=PA251&dq=colonial+vietnamese+women+trafficking&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CGIQ6AEwCWoVChMIjNXmg7XZyAIVCXA-Ch34Tgfb#v=onepage&q=colonial%20vietnamese%20women%20trafficking&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=32jVBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA148&dq=colonial+vietnamese+women+trafficking&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBGoVChMIjNXmg7XZyAIVCXA-Ch34Tgfb#v=onepage&q=colonial%20vietnamese%20women%20trafficking&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=dpeB__DUprYC&pg=PA125&dq=colonial+vietnamese+women+trafficking&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFwQ6AEwCGoVChMIjNXmg7XZyAIVCXA-Ch34Tgfb#v=onepage&q=colonial%20vietnamese%20women%20trafficking&f=false

Russian incident with Uyghur prostitutes in Kashgar in January of 1900
An anti-Russian riot occured in Kashgar in January of 1900 when Russians consorted with Turki (Uyghur) prostitutes.

On page 124

http://books.google.com/books?id=lTn-AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA124#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=0DgIAQAAIAAJ&q=Russian+couriers+three+Cossacks+Russian+customs+native+prostitutes+Kashgar&dq=Russian+couriers+three+Cossacks+Russian+customs+native+prostitutes+Kashgar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3BRHU5mhAYnJsQSQ9IGQCA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bbr5AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT126&dq=Russian+couriers+three+Cossacks+Russian+customs+native+prostitutes+Kashgar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3BRHU5mhAYnJsQSQ9IGQCA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Russian%20couriers%20three%20Cossacks%20Russian%20customs%20native%20prostitutes%20Kashgar&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 22:04, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Just removed misleading content by an editor, probably a troll. It only mentioned nine specific men at that one specific bar in the sources, not "many men" as written by the editor. The editor was being dishonest and writing things not in the sources.Barjoum (talk) 12:59, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Chinese-proti and his socks
Sockpuppet investigations/Chinese-proti/Archive

User:Chinese-proti User:Xinggoin User:NEOSHANG User:Mixjang1234 and User:Baohio8888 are all the same sock accounts.

He appears to be a Korean nationalist, trying to downplay about Korean women's prostitution to foreigners while trying to spam content about Chinese women prostituting or Korean men getting sex from foreign women.Rajmaan (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

China as a major source country of prostitutes who are trafficking into other countries?
A lot of chinese women and girls are forced to work as prostitutes in Western Europe, Russia, Israel, Japan, Australia and North America.--95.114.97.96 (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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Prostitution-related arrests during police campaigns (1983–1999)
What is the exact source for the statistics in the table in "Prostitution after 1978"? I think a reference ought to be provided for these. Bambi&#39;nin annesi (talk) 00:06, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Update link, please
Page is semiprotected, and so I can't edit it, nor make a request.

Link #110 has been put behind access wall. (Niklas Dougherty (2006). "Prostitution in contemporary China The case of Shanghai Jiading". Lund university. p. 16. Retrieved 23 August2014.)

As I am the author of the paper, I have put it here: https://dougherty.se/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Prostitution_in_China.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndougherty (talk • contribs) 13:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅ Hi, thanks for that. I've updated the url in the reference. --John B123 (talk) 13:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Anticommunist bias.
In first paragraph of article the last sentence is an example of an official of the communist party that was found paying for prostitution, but the quotation fails to mention that he was expelled from the party, it only mentions he was sacked from his post, both things are said in the same sentence in the quoted source, to omit one is not neutral, as it tarnsihes the image of the party as if it had not expelled the man by omitting that information. This must be adressed for the sake of Wikipedia's neutrality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Social-sciences-in-capitalism-are-not-neutral (talk • contribs) 11:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Supported by reference, have added to the sentence.  Grey joy talk 11:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've got no objection to the addition, but don't see how its omission can be viewed as bias. --John B123 (talk) 14:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)