Talk:Protest Warrior/Archive 9

Polish version
May somebody who is allowed to edit add the below text:

Protest Warrior

Hey, I made a Polish version of this page and would be grateful in anyone would conect it.

Link to plWiki
Please add this link to the entry on Polish Wikipedia. Thanks in advance, aegis maelstrom δ 11:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Offline?
I've been trying to check protestwarrior.com for months (not sure if it's really months, to be honest) now in light of all the talk here. It seems to be offline. The only recent news I've been able to find doesn't hold any clues Anyone know what this is? Have they just blocked non-US IPs? The Wikipedia page certainly doesn't give any clear indications that they've gone offline. 82.27.48.57 22:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not having any problems. UK here.--Smegpt86 00:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * A friend of mine in Australia has never been able to get on the forums at all. Says his IP is banned.  Not sure why that is.  Rogue 9 01:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That must be it then. I've just tried a few proxies, and I can view it just fine. Having never had any interaction with them, I can only assume that I'm sharing a subnet with someone they don't like.82.27.48.57 19:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Wave of Bannings

 * Originally I was told by Anotherbob that there had been 14, including mine.


 * Evidently there were more in the following days.


 * Can anyone here-who still has access to PW-tell me what's going on?


 * You can't read threads if you've been expelled from the forums, so I have no real idea what's happening, other than accounts from other people I've been in touch with since the shit hit the fan.

-Wrath

72.68.168.22 19:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you have AIM? Please AIM me at Xerenthar. --Neverborn 05:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No. In fact, I can't use any instant messenger service, for reasons that I can't explain here.


 * Anyway, you can e-mail me at Ruthfulbarbarity@hotmail.com


 * That's not my primary e-mail address-and I already receive tons of spam-so I'm not worried about divulging it here.


 * Anyway, just put something about PW in the subject heading-or your screen name-so I don't automatically delete it, or send it to the junk pile.


 * -Wrath

72.80.105.67 15:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Use this proxy to view PW, weakboner. The free trial is good for about 1/2 hour a day. Your fellow Preschool Warriors pine for you!

https://www.megaproxy.com/

The PW wiki page will need a thorough update to reflect these bannings, the open revolt from the Pretend Warriors still left (not many), and the legal threats and investigations spurred by hwarto's death threats against Al'. I will be heading this effort!

From Abob

"a different user made death threats against another user, followed by credible legal threats. Not too uncommon, but these threats were of a nature that Kfir took them seriously.

Fortunately, you don't a legal threat against PW seriously, because you aren't legally liable for what others do here. But A&K are liable, and even if an illegitimate suit were filed, it'd be costly to deal with. Between shutting down the forum to protect PW and booting the worst of the worst, this is definitely the better option. "

NBGPWS 06:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Please explain how this is noteworthy. Forums of all types ban members all the time. I hardly see why this type of information needs to be included in the article. Jinxmchue 22:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It is not noteworthy in the way NBGPWS would present it, I think. It should, however, be mentioned, as PW's reputation as the "Thunderdome" where nothing gets you banned is different now. --Neverborn 05:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Just curious, but what is your obssession with this website?


 * It's bordering on the pathological right now.


 * In fact, you make Twiw seem almost moderately sane.

71.125.246.167 15:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Purge underway! Pretend Warriors leaving Stalinist PW in DROVES
The Stalanist Purge by KIfer and Alan is in full swing, they don't even have the integrity to address the topic to their sycophatic minions on PW (like they ever DID care about the 'unwashed masses' who they always took so little interest in1 LOL !), and the smart PW's are deserting!

from VonSteuben

"his banning craze must be what Allen meant when, a few months ago, he said (and I summarize):

“OMFG!!! WE ARE PLANNING SOMETHING SO SUPER SECRET AND COOL YOU WON’T BELIEVE TEH AWESOMENESS UNTIL YOU SEE IT!!!!!!”

Well congratulations fuckwits, you’ve turned this place into a run-of-the-mill, bann-happy shithole like most other online forums.

So let me take this opportunity to say I’m out-a-here. This is my 1000th post, and may my post count remain 1000 forever. It is also my birthday and I’m giving myself back the time I used to spend here.

Please do me a favor and google “die gedanken sind frei”—it’s the song in my sig. Learn its history and its meaning and maybe you will understand why I will not endure this arbitrary censorship.

NBGPWS 10:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * NBGPWS, the discussion page of this article is not the appropriate place to rant. I remind you that Wikipedia is not a soapbox, or a blog, or whatever. This page is for discussion of the article, not ranting about Protest Warrior or making personal attacks. --Kuzaar-T-C- 13:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

LoL, ProtestWarrior is getting what they deserve. There is a vacuum of leadership in a time when they can be organizing to counter-protest anti-Israel rallies in the United States. Where is Alan and Kfir? Nowhere!


 * Kuzaar is right. In addition to the mention of WP:NOT, the "purges" have been reversed. The people who were banned are mostly unbanned. --Neverborn 22:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

added info on PW death threats
I added the following info, direct quotes from PW moderator Anothebob, about Hworta's death threats against Al'. Since I'm a nice guy, I left out Hworta's name. This is at least as significant as the Jay Czaka info.

"In July 2006 an active-duty-military Protest Warrior "made death threats against another user" a Muslim, causing "credible legal threats" for Protest Warrior.

NBGPWS 21:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I see no problem with this. I agree that it is probably significant. --Neverborn 22:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Here is the link, and the quote in case PW decides to delete it:


 * Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:48 am


 * anotherbob
 * PW's facing legal threats because a user posted death threats. If you're wondering how bad it has to get before PW steps in, that's a good line to draw.



NBGPWS 08:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Nitpick: Bob isn't a moderator; he's the site developer. Unless, of course, something changed in the month and a half that I've been out of the loop. Rogue 9 17:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Israel Support/Anti-Terrorism

 * Protest Warrior members-especially those from the Coastal NJ and NYC chapters-comprised a significant portion of the protest contingent-150-200 people-outside of the NYT headquarters, and PW was one of the organizations that co-sponsored that particular rally.


 * As far as supporting Israel goes I can't say that there have been any recent activities in that area, although I would be surprised if there weren't at least a few people who were sympathetic to the goals of PW in attendance at the recent pro-Israel, anti-terror rallies held in New York City and Los Angeles.

72.80.102.247 14:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I got a report from a friend who was at a rally in Los Angeles over the weekend in support of Israel. He said that there was a lone Pretend Warrior there with an ANTI UNITED NATIONS SIGN, annoying and trying to pick fights with anyone carrying a sign expressing sentiments for a peaceful resolution in the ME.

Once again PW shows their true colors - agitating rather than supporting the causes they supposedly believe in.

NBGPWS 20:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Everyone attending that rally was expressing concern for a peaceful resolution.


 * It wasn't a pro-Hezbollah rally after all.

71.125.248.8 17:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

In any case, you should take whatever Neo says with a grain of salt.

He's not all there, as demonstrated by this discussion.

Ruthfulbarbarity 05:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not the one so stupid and/or brain damaged that I confuse "rally in support of Israel" with "pro-Hezbollah" like the anonymous retarded poster 71.125.248.8 does! NBGPWS 08:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I don't have time to deal with your puerile, insipid, and increasingly unhinged insults.


 * You detest Protest Warrior-for some undefined slight, possibly because of the fact that Kfir has banned you from using the PW forums for using multiple sock puppet accounts and repeated trolling/spamming-and do not like what it stands for as an organization.


 * We get it!


 * Now, can we move on?

Ruthfulbarbarity 07:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My only interest is that readers get an accurate portrayal of PW. Most PW 'operations' are ignored by PW's and have to be scrubbed. Look at the 'command and control' forum for verification of that. Most PW 'operations' that do take place are poorly attended by only a handful of PW's. There is no significant PW activity in many US cities, including metropolitan Los Angeles / Orange County - and area that can turn out crowds of hundreds of conservatives for anti immigration rallies, or to see Ann Coulter. PW as a 'counter protest' organization is dying and almost dead and that is the truth. It is inportnat that readers of the article know that.

NBGPWS 00:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You've got to be kidding me!?


 * You're only interested in being a persistent nuisance, and occluding the issues under discussion.


 * Insofar as your raison d'etre is annoying and burdening others you are, unfortunately, succeeding.


 * Instead of having a rational debate over what should or should not be included in the article being discussed we are forced to devote time to your irrelevant, malicious tangents.


 * Here is a link that delineates every single "contribution" you have made to Wikipedia since you've been here:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=NBGPWS


 * You'll notice that you have had nothing of any value to say about any other issue-not that you've had anything of value to contribute to this discussion either-leading any reasonable person to conclude that your sole motivation for registering with this website is to serve as a disruption, re: this particular article, and that you have no intention of making any positive contributions to Wikipedia in this or any other area.

Ruthfulbarbarity 01:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I only use this user name on Wiki for PW, moron! BWWWWWWAAAAAH ! NBGPWS 22:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, what part of the term "nuisance" is eluding your comprehension?


 * No personal attacks, loser! This discussion is about PW not me. I deleted your spam! Grow up!NBGPWS 04:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I bet you didn't even realize the irony of that sentence.


 * Who am I kidding?

Ruthfulbarbarity 02:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit War

 * Seriously, stop it.


 * This whole escapade merely serves to illustrate why you are not mature enough to participate in any serious discussion having to do with this-or any other-subject matter.


 * This talk page is designed to come to an agreement on what should and should not be included in the PW article.


 * It is not a forum for airing your views-which we've already had the opportunity to read, ad nauseam-on the organization itself.

Ruthfulbarbarity 02:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Back to the subject at hand - PW. Why are there no links to the actual protest warrior 'operations'??? Surely these activities, which are supposed to be PW's raison d'etre should be documented! They are certainly more important to list than SIGNS! The only event documented that I see is the embarassing misadventure where Kifer got attacked by the Freeptards! How unfortunate! I propose that we scour PW's archives and 'command and control' forum and list the significant events which took place, and the dozens suggested that never happened because of lack of interest from PW's Armchair Intraweb Warriors. I'll get to work on this soon, unless one of you PW's wants to start. NBGPWS 06:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There are already several pre-existing links to media coverage of noteworthy Protest Warrior operations-not that I'd expect you to have the clarity of mind, or reading comprehension, to actually pore over them-but they do exist.


 * With that in mind I've added a few links that describe-in minute detail-other operations that Protest Warrior has undertaken over the course of the past two and a half years.


 * I've also taken the liberty of removing the dead link that you-in your infinite wisdom-decided to add to the external links section of this article, and replacing it with a link to a page that contains most of the original article.

Ruthfulbarbarity 22:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Knock off the insults Wrathbone or I'll have you banned from this page.

You need to add a section titled 'campagns' not just add links to the end of the article, and videos should be seperate. I will get to work adding the dozens of failed and scrubbed operations - you add the successful ones.

Should the documentation of PW Scott Robinson attacking and kicking the prone woman at the 2004 RNC get its own section?

I think so.

NBGPWS 01:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, your schtick was (mildly) amusing-in an intoxicated rhesus monkey sort of way-initially, but now it's just tiresome.


 * You've been warned-both here and on your talk page-to cut it out numerous times.


 * There's even a warning tag attached to the top of this talk page in your honor.


 * I suggest you heed the advice.

Ruthfulbarbarity 02:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep this in mind:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NBGPWS


 * before you attempt to vandalize, revert, or alter this article in any way.

Ruthfulbarbarity 02:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll be adding a FAILED 'campaign' section and info on PW Scott Robinsons brutal attack of a defenseless female at the 04 RNC this week. These are germaine to PW. The juvenile personal atacks against me by you Pretend Warriors aren't. Keep them up - We'll see who gets banned! NBGPWS 04:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I suggest that you don't.


 * You've already tried that, in case you've forgotten.


 * By the way, the correct spelling is "germane," you hyperactive, dim chimpanzee.

Ruthfulbarbarity 18:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I will be doing a thorough re-write of the article. I think a good place for inspiration is the Free Republic entry. I will be doing the same for PW


 * Criticism


 * Allegations Of Extremism and Bigotry
 * Many posts on Free Republic are devoted to the ridicule of persons or groups perceived as anathema to conservatives. The site's officially stated policy is to remove blatantly racist or bigoted postings, yet epithets such as "faggot" or "towelhead" are fairly common, and are not grounds for a post to be removed.


 * Free Republic is often accused of being extremist and far-right (even popular conservative talk show host Sean Hannity has described the site as "fringe" [14]), and has been criticized for harboring "hate speech" regarding certain groups of people, such as liberals, homosexuals, Muslims, Communist Chinese and illegal immigrants. An example the site's alleged extremism and bigotry can be found in 2005, when a forum poster circulated a petition asking the Iranian government not to execute two homosexual teenagers, but was rebuked by forum users for his position (some of the users supported the execution, for various reasons, including allegations that the teenagers were being executed for sexual assault on a minor, as opposed to simply being homosexual).[15] Some members have also expressed support for Apartheid South Africa [16], while others support the Serbian version of history in the 1999 Kosovo War.


 * Many Free Republic users attribute these accusations to political correctness and deny that they have any basis in fact.


 * Cyber Stalking
 * Members of Free Republic have been accused of cyberstalking. (PW and ELAC)


 * Spelling nazi, eh wrathbone?..... 'pore' over ? LOL ! NBGPWS 21:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * A. "No personal attacks." That policy applies to you as well.


 * B. Yes, I do take proper spelling, grammar, syntax, punctuation-and the English language in general-very seriously. If you want other Wikipedians to respect your contributions I suggest you do the same.


 * C. Do not attempt to "rewrite" this article. If you have a suggestion, then post it here first so that we can arrive at a consensus. Need I remind you why this article was "protected" in the first place?

Ruthfulbarbarity 22:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * re b You obviously don't take spelling very seriously when you write 'pore' over, wrathboner!


 * The rewriting starts soon. Address my points of adding racism and bigotry in a section on criticism, PW Scott Robinson's attack on a female protestor at the 04 RNC, and a section on ELAC's hack attack on Indymedia as extensively documented on rocnrev, before they get added in. NBGPWS 23:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * "Wrathboner."


 * Again, I ask you to refrain from personal attacks, or you will-most likely-eventually be blocked from editing this article, which-in my estimation-could only be an improvement upon the current situation.


 * And as far as I can tell you haven't yet made any coherent, let alone persuasive, arguments with respect to "racism" or "bigotry," unless you are contending that the PW forums do not discriminate against users based upon the content of their speech, or their philosophical views.


 * Yes, there are some people who utilize the PW forums who are no doubt racist, and so long as they abide by the rules set forth by Kfir they are welcome to post there, just as Communists, "anarchists," libertarians, Constitutionalists, Republicans, Democrats, utilitarians, minarchists, nationalists, Zionists, anti-Zionists, philosemites, anti-Semites, patriots and anti-American extremists, and virtually every other person who expresses a political point of view-whether or not it is shared by a large portion of the American public, or even consonant with the views expressed by Protest Warrior as an organization-is allowed to post. Protest Warrior does not ban people from its forums based upon their political or philosophical point of view, regardless of whether or not their opinions are noxious to the founders.


 * The reason you were banned was not because of any ideological dispute, but because you flagrantly violated the TOS agreement you vowed to abide by when you registered an account with that website.

Ruthfulbarbarity 00:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You can quit playing the victim with your so-easily-offended feigned outrage shtick. Calling you a 'spelling Nazi' and adding an r to you user name are not insults. If I wanted to insult you I would!


 * You're just embarrassed that I proved you actually didn't know the difference between 'pore' and 'pour'. No wonder you're upset. I'd be embarrassed if I were that ignorant too!


 * You might have a point about racism except when 99% of all mainstream conservative boards ban admitted racist posters who use epitaphs like 'nigger', or posters who encourage the assassination of BATF agents - the fact that PW doesn't is worthy of a whole section.


 * You neglected to address PW Scott Robinson's attack on a female protestor at the 04 RNC, and a section on ELAC's hack attack on Indymedia as extensively documented (with quotes from Kifer) on rocnrev. NBGPWS 04:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No, you can't.


 * Unless you want to be blocked from editing this article, an occurrence whose likelihood increases with each insult and attempt at vandalism you make.


 * I hate to break it to you, but this debate has nothing to do with you.


 * It is a discussion over what should and should not be included in the Protest Warrior article.


 * The Scott Robinson incident has been discussed-ad nauseam-on this talk page, which you should have realized, since you were a participant in that discussion.
 * But for your benefit I will give you a brief synopsis of it.
 * Whatever affiliation Scott Robinson had with the Protest Warrior forum was severed once that incident was brought to light.


 * In the same manner that the RWZ incident was handled, although that issue was more complex since Jay Czaja registered with multiple sock puppet accounts, very much like you have.

Ruthfulbarbarity 17:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, you completely mischaracterized the ELAC/Indymedia incident.


 * Tell me, why aren't you as interested in documenting the criminal behavior of members of Hack This Site, or Indymedia's attempt at intimidating delegates to the Republican National Convention?


 * IMC, by the way, allows users to post conspiratorial, unsourced, utterly absurd screeds that make even the most questionable thread on Protest Warrior appear reasonable by comparison.


 * You seem to have a problem with free speech.


 * The fact is that the Protest Warrior forums-one component of a much broader organization-allows people to voice their political and philosophical opinions-even ones that might be detestable to you, or to PW's founders-without hindrance, whether or not you like this policy is immaterial to this discussion.


 * There are more regulations now than there were initially, but people are not going to be censored based upon the content of their speech.


 * That is just the way it is.


 * The fact that you are so obstinately opposed to his policy does not surprise me, and I think that you should mull over this disagreement whenever you are lamenting the fact that Kfir banned you for violating PW's TOS agreement.


 * TOS that you affirmed you would obey when you registered, subsequent to which you decided to flagrantly violate them.

Ruthfulbarbarity 17:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Finally, you have no demonstrable evidence to demonstrate that that figure-which you conjured out of thin air-is accurate.


 * Yes, most message boards-both liberal and conservative-have TOS that prohibit users from making what are generally construed as racist or bigoted remarks.


 * However, there are a number of boards that ignore this clause in practice.


 * Including Daily Kos, which has allowed users to post anti-Semitic jeremiads-as diaries, not just isolated comments-to its site.


 * That does not mean that Daily Kos is an anti-Semitic site, or that Markos Moulitsas is a virulent anti-Semite.


 * My experience has been that conservative blogs and fora-with a few notable exceptions-have been marginally more accepting of dissent and contrary political viewpoints than their leftist counterparts.


 * However, there are very few-if any-boards that are as open as Protest Warrior, be they conservative, liberal, or neither of the two.

Ruthfulbarbarity 18:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Added section on Alexa rankings - me thinks you should 'pore' over them before vandalizing the article by deleting them, wrathbore. If you choose to vandalize this article by deleting them, I will have no choice other than to have you banned from any further participation here. I suggest you heed my friendly advice. NBGPWS 08:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You can't have anybody banned. You're not an admin, nor will you ever be one at the rate you're going.  I wouldn't recommend calling this conversation to an administrator's attention either, because if one did decide to take that sort of action, you'd be the first to go.  Rogue 9 17:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Pshaw!!!! Why don't you or wrathbore do something useful like add the missing pic of Allen and Kifer back in to the article - the one that has been missing for weeks?NBGPWS 19:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Notwithstanding your delusions Neo, I haven't vandalized anything related to the article in question.


 * All I did was fix a link to an incoherent tirade-which to be honest, doesn't do much to buttress your tendentious opinion on this subject-which you had posted under "external links."


 * The op-ed itself devoted less than two sentences to a discussion of Protest Warrior.


 * The actual PW debate-both pro and con-occurred in the comments posted below that op-ed.


 * Hence, the revised link.


 * I also replaced the dead link you posted-again, under external links-with one that contained most of the op-ed you had referenced.

Ruthfulbarbarity 23:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, side note: To pore over something is, in fact, a proper use of the word, see. You may now take your condescending tomfoolery and shove it where the sun don't shine. And yes, the misuse of "don't" was entirely intentional. Rogue 9 19:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think website traffic is notable.
User:NBGPWS added a subsection to the Website section regarding its traffic count. I don't think a decrease, or increase for that matter, on the number of hits on the organization's website is notable. If it was shutdown entirely or suddenly became one of the top 10 (or even 50) I would say, "okay, that's notable." Is this change reported anywhere else but in this article? Lawyer2b 20:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If it were 5% or 10% I would agree but these declines ARE notable : "During the most recent period, the Traffic Rank dropped 89,915 places, Reach dropped 24%, and Page Views dropped 46%." By the way, it's not an 'article' - it's Alexa.com - the accepted industry-standard traffic stats site. NBGPWS 21:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you are mistaken but I'm not going to edit it out. If you had some support to your conclusion that this decline reflected some other decline in popularity/activity, I'd agree entirely.  Btw,  I'm sorry I wasn't more clear, the "article" I was referring to was Protest Warrior's wikipedia entry.  I was asking if this decline in their website traffic had been reported as notable anywhere else.  My guess is no. Lawyer2b 22:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Alexa uses spyware to get it's counts, and easy to defeat spyware at that. If any given user employs a browser other than IE, then Alexa will not count any hits on the site generated by that user. Alexa rankings don't mean a whole lot, and mean less the more Firefox and other alternative browsers spread. Rogue 9 20:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem I have with Neo's editing

 * I have to be honest and tell you that I don't believe that NeoCons has contributed any valuable information to this article.


 * I have no problem incorporating critical information into this article, but he seems to be intent on turning this entire page into some sort of ceaseless flame war, which doesn't strike me as being a particularly wise allocation of resources.


 * He hasn't followed proper formatting, has included links to articles that, even if they are worthy of inclusion, can not be accessed because of dead links, and has spent the vast majority of his time here making puerile insults.


 * NeoCons, if your attempt is to discredit Protest Warrior, might I respectfully suggest that you are not the best spokesman for this cause?


 * Ruthfulbarbarity 23:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Your baseless attacks and your continued harassment of me demonstrate you're incapable of being objective or adding anything of worth to this discussion.


 * 'has included links to articles that, even if they are worthy of inclusion, can not be accessed because of dead links'


 * That is an outright lie. The Daily Cardinal is down for maintenance, which is not the same as a 'dead' link. More telling, that is the only link I EVER posted that was not fully operational so your claim of 'linkS' is baseless. Your unwillingness to tell the truth combined with your personal vendetta should preclude you from further participation here.


 * I will also note that when YOU couldn't access PW as a result of being banned and your IP blocked (and weren't resorceful enough to think of using a proxy) I stepped in, and as an act of friendship and bipartisanship (and pity) provided you a proxy to use - so you could visit PW, for which you pined! NBGPWS 00:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The link you posted for the Daily Cardinal op-ed is/was a dead link.


 * When you originally clicked on it all you found was a two word sentence that had absolutely nothing to do with Protest Warrior.


 * Furthermore, I don't see what "personal vendetta" you are referring to.


 * The only individual exhibiting an unhealthy obsession with this issue seems to be you.


 * Just to refresh your memory, I'll remind you of why you came here in the first place,


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=NBGPWS


 * How do I have a personal vendetta?


 * I've edited hundreds of articles, covering numerous subjects, and created over half a dozen articles, none of which had anything to do with the topic we're now discussing.


 * You, on the other hand, registered simply to foist your tendentious opinion upon Wikipedia, and have no desire to serve as a useful contributor to this project.


 * As I've already stated, if you want to include critical material about this subject simply post it here first, so that we can achieve a consensus on what should be excluded from and what should be included in this article.


 * It's as simple as that.


 * Finally, I did not want to return to Protest Warrior-in contravention of the rules-before that issue had been resolved.


 * You did not do anything for me-and I doubt that you had the technical expertise to help even if you had the desire to-and insisting otherwise merely demonstrates your inability to tell the truth.

Ruthfulbarbarity 00:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You have a strong interest in White Nationalism, I see! Check back on July 8 under 'wave of bannings', to see proof of where I helped you out, and quit your lying sir! NBGPWS 02:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * On-topic.


 * You haven't contradicted any of my assertions.


 * I ask you again, do you plan on making any contributions to this site, unrelated to this one topic?


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:OWN

Ruthfulbarbarity 02:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, you have been banned for months, so I would appreciate it if you stop trying to imply that you still have posting privileges.


 * You do not.


 * Unless you've created another sock puppet account, which is entirely possible I suppose, considering your history with that website.

Ruthfulbarbarity 02:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 *  "imply that you still have posting privileges"


 * MORE LIES ! I never have implied that I still post on PW!


 * And as for helping you out.....


 * From July 7 and 8 on this very page: (do not vandalize this page by deleting this AGAIN, wb)


 * "Can anyone here-who still has access to PW-tell me what's going on? You can't read threads if you've been expelled from the forums, so I have no real idea what's happening, other than accounts from other people I've been in touch with since the shit hit the fan.-Wrath


 * "Use this proxy to view PW, weakboner. The free trial is good for about 1/2 hour a day. Your fellow Preschool Warriors pine for you!" NBGPWS 05:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep up the personal attacks, NeoCons.


 * I'm sure that they'll endear you to the admins who are able to block people for violating Wikipedia guidelines...repeatedly.

Ruthfulbarbarity 02:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * MY personal attacks???


 * "By the way, the correct spelling is "germane," you hyperactive, dim chimpanzee.Ruthfulbarbarity 18:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to re-open this argument.


 * Just try to observe some basic etiquette, and stop including bad or dead links, reverting the edits of others, or doing anything else that could be construed in a negative light.

Ruthfulbarbarity 23:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 *  Quit editing MY posts, wrathbore, or I will have you banned like you deserveNBGPWS 23:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You have no administrative powers, fortunately, so issuing threats is utterly worthless in this regard.

Ruthfulbarbarity 00:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I feel compelled to reiterate that this is not a debate about your opinions of Protest Warrior, or members of Protest Warrior, and it is certainly not a debate about you.


 * It is a discussion about what should and should not be included in the Protest Warror Wiki, something that you (seemingly) fail to grasp.


 * Your opinion of PW has no bearing on this discussion.

Ruthfulbarbarity 00:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Protest Warrior's Actual Strength and Numbers
The Lies:


 * He (Kfir) heads up an organization of over 12,000 people worldwide (most in the United States) that has changed the landscape of protests in the United States in a not insignificant fashion. Rogue 9 13:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Protest Warrior is a national network of some 7,200 right-of-center activists. (frontpagemag.com 2004)

The Truth:


 * I'm expecting about 100 PWs nationwide to take part in it (25 in SF, 30 in NYC, 30 in DC, and 15 in LA)ethanmx2 Aug 5 ,2005


 * Where is the Boston Chapter? There was an Anti-War/Anti-Isreal/Save Lebanon protest today right outside where I work in Boston. We need you! There was no opposing point of view. Where is the Boston chapter of ProtestWarrior? I applied over two weeks ago through the main site and haven't heard anything from the chapter leader. Is the chapter active? July 19,2006

Boston - America's 24th Largest City

NEW SECTION COMING SOON! NBGPWS 05:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I look forward to it! All notable and verifiable information is welcome! :-) Lawyer2b 18:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, if you want to turn this article into a pissing contest over how many people did or didn't show up to individual protests on any given day be my guest.


 * I could care less at this point.


 * Also, I'd like to remind Neo that contributing to archived discussions, e.g. about Rush Limbaugh, is a fruitless endeavor, since they are, by definition, no longer active.

Ruthfulbarbarity 19:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keeping the focus on PW (like you insist on but never do WB)..


 * 1) When is the last time Alan or Kifer particpiated in a PW counterprotest? Will they be counterprotesting Cindy Sheehan in Crawford? They're only 100 miles away.


 * 2) Why is the gallery section of the PW site no longer being updated with official galleries?


 * 3) It certainly appears that Alan and Kifer are no longer actively involved in any form of political discussion on the various PW fora. Please point me to any recent threads where either of them discussed politics. It also appears that they are no longer actively counterprotesting either. Please provide documentation otherwise. Thanks NBGPWS 21:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Added subsection 'tactics' and an account of Rudolf the Red's most recent actions to methodology NBGPWS 21:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I actually have no idea what Kfir and/or Alan are planning on doing, protest-wise, in the immediate future.


 * Seeing as how you're the one who obsesses over their each and every move it would appear that you are better-suited to answer that question.

Ruthfulbarbarity 23:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * When and where was the last PW counterprotest that Alan or Kifer participated in? I can't find any activity from Kifer since the Freepers attacked him approx. ONE YEAR ago in Crawford - and even longer for Allan. Other than settling a few forum disputes and collecting money from Tshirt sales - what are their PW-related activities? Thanks NBGPWS 00:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Inaccuracies?

 * How is Rudolf The Red a "chapter leader?"


 * What chapter does he lead?

Ruthfulbarbarity 23:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Right below his signature it claims that he "pretends" to be the leader of the San Francisco chapter.


 * I just checked PW HQ and he's listed as the official chapter leader.


 * I have no idea if that information is still accurate as of today.


 * Why don't you go to the trouble of e-mailing him and actually asking if he still leads that chapter?

Ruthfulbarbarity 23:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Please retitle your header. There are no Inaccuracies at all. Rudolf calls himself the Chapter Leader. It's not my responsibility to email him to verify that. NBGPWS 00:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's true.


 * My point is that not all of the information on the PW HQ website is necessarily up-to-date.


 * How difficult is it to send an e-mail to him that will verify that he is the current leader of that particular chapter, before inserting it into the body of the article?

Ruthfulbarbarity 00:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

He lists himself as the chapter leader, posts operations on the HQ site, posts after action reports, but you want ME to email him and double-check if he is, in fact, the chapter leader?

Are you delirious?

LOL! NBGPWS 07:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)