Talk:Protests regarding the Russo-Georgian War

Anti-Russian bias
There is a clear anti-Russian bias in the article. It was originally titled 2008 protests against Russian involvement in Georgia, which was worse, and there is still bias in the text. For instance, it says, "Russian army’s invasion in to Georgia", even though it is disputed who started the war (the Russian government claims Georgia attacked their peacekeepers) and Russia doesn't consider it an invasion. There should also probably be another article for protests in favor of Russia, which there also were. Superm401 - Talk 13:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * See Content forking. This article should be deleted! --eugrus (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no anti-Russian bias in the article. Only facts are presented in this article. All article is being quoted. All events in this article are real and quoted. Please, present me with quotes, where this article has anti-Russian bias? Pleckaitis (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is anti-Russian bias, and I gave you quotes, which you did nothing to address. Superm401 - Talk 11:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The lead in is somewhat misleading as it states "protests all over the World" in support of Georgia. However it only cites 8 actual countries and all of those countries, except the US, are in Europe. It would be more factual if the article said, "protests in European countries". As far as I know, there have not been any pro Georgia protests happening in Africa, the middle east, China, or South America. I have not seen any reports of protests in Australia, though I am sure that Australians oppose Russia's position on the matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.156.54 (talk) 14:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for this point of view. I think we must expand this article. Pleckaitis (talk) 15:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

This is a propaganda article detailing minor events to make it seem like there is some sort of popular movement against the Russian Federation. Who cares if 50 Russophobic activists gather outside an embassy? This is not encyclopedic material. This article should be deleted. --Tocino 05:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC) I also agree, that this article can be removed. Some of it's facts can be briefly mentioned in the main article. But as it exist I'm going to add info about a couple of protests pro Russian and Georgian, that happened in Kharkov, Ukraine. Just will find when exactly they happened.--Oleg Str (talk) 07:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

This article is only about protests against Russian involvement.
From the name of the article it is clear that it is only about protests against Russian involvmernt. I think if there were some demonstrations that support Russian involvement you can create a separate article about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorbins (talk • contribs) 13:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah it can be all in one. I fixed it by renaming the article and starting a section on support.--Avala (talk) 17:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Protests supporting Russia
This sentence: "Protesters also condemned Georgian actions at demonstrations held in the city of Tiraspol. Viktor Kostyrko, mayor of Tiraspol, stated that "We are assured, that owing to our help and support, and first of all from great Russia, war will be stopped".[41]"  is extremely misleading, because Tiraspol, although the second largest city in Moldova, is not Governed by Chisinau. It is the capital of the unrecognised Republic of Transdniestria, which is another frozen conflict of the former USSR. This protest should be separated from the protests in Moldova in front of the U.S. Embassy. Menrunningpast (talk) 02:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Transnistria is not a recognized independent country. There are separatists over there but that's it.--Avala (talk) 12:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

This should be called Protests against georgian invlolvement in South Ossetia. Like the previous one, otherwise one can`t say that there`s no anti-Russian bias here. -- 193.232.9.194 (talk) 13:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Japan source
someone just added a source for protests in Japan from http://www.support-georgia.ge Now this a very dubious source in the least. it is quite blatantly POV. Furthermore, as a potentially unreliable source the veracity of truth concerning these protests in Japan is highly doubted. How is when to know if the pictures are in Tokyo or Saitama or Seoul or Tbilisi or a Chinatown/Japantown (??) somewhere in the world. Lihaas (talk) 18:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The police and the cars in the pictures look like they could be Japanese. It's very unlikely to be anywhere else but Asia.
 * This is really no different than how A.N.S.W.E.R. has been used as a source for so-called "peace" rallies against the U.S. Most "peace" groups are blatantly POV.  The only claims they're making here is that a small number of Georgians in Japan decided to make a statement.  That sounds reasonable to me.
 * These things are important to posterity, as future generations will be able to question those who claimed to stand against wars like the one in Iraq, and then became silent at other times. If these Georgians had to stand mostly alone, then that will need to be remembered.
 * -- Randy2063 (talk) 19:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with all your points, and it should be here. But the source is not really credible. Many peace groups may be POV but they are established. This doesn't show with certainty it is Tokyo nor a Georgion protest within the last 2 weeks. It could have been made before elsewhere in the country, perhaps with any design. Albeit the likelihood is high, but the source doesn't show anything conclusive. Lihaas (talk) 19:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It has to be current. One of the protesters has a sign that says "Stop Occupation of Georgia!"
 * The police uniforms are similar to the one in Image:Mazda_RX-8_police_car_in_Tokyo.jpg.
 * -- Randy2063 (talk) 21:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

redirect
Could somebody collect images of the protests from the non-English Wikipedae? They seem to be coming in now. Ottre (talk) 15:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Patriotic ad on Georgian TV
A few weeks ago, I ran across a one-minute TV spot aired on Georgian Public Broadcasting. I'm told it includes about a dozen Georgian actors and singers urging viewers to "stand together so our country can survive", and culminating with several of them saying "მე მიყვარს საქართველო" (me miq'vars sakartvelo — "I love Georgia"). It's entirely in Georgian, so it was clearly intended for domestic consumption within the country. Is anyone familiar with this video or its background? Would it be appropriate to include some mention of the video somewhere in this article? Richwales (talk) 23:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source for this? Lihaas (talk) 13:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have some sources, though not really suitable for Wikipedia in their current form. I'd appreciate any help from others who might have access to more and/or better info.  You can see the video here on YouTube.  I've assembled a set of screen shots with the people involved.  With the help of a couple of Georgian-speaking acquaintances, I've managed to get a transcript and tentative identification of the people, which I can make available if anyone thinks it might be helpful.  Richwales (talk) 14:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)