Talk:Proto-Mandarin Chinese

Proto-Mandarin
I think this entry should be deleted, as the stage before "Early Mandarin" would be technically "late Middle Chinese" of the Song Dynasty. 'Early Mandarin' being the sound system described by the rime dictionary Zhong Yuan Yin Yun of the Yuan dynasty, used for rhyming of Peking Opera during that time. "Proto-Mandarin" is probably meaningless and I've not seen it in the literature. Dylanwhs 17:32, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I would say this needs to be deleted or redirected to Middle Chinese. --Cold Season (talk) 10:57, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Proto-Mandarin is, in fact, a common subject in the literature, but this stub is completely wrong. Norman, Baxter, Simmons, Coblin and others have all explored the subject, and generally agree that Northern Chinese in late Tang or early Song times is the last common ancestor of the dialects that now constitute the various branches of the Mandarin macro-group. Note that the Zhong Yuan Yin Yun already shows many phonological mergers that are not present in the Southern Mandarin dialects, so it's already quite evolved from Proto-Mandarin. 71.217.235.133 (talk) 22:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Category:Extinct languages vs. Category:Extinct languages of Asia
Category:Extinct languages of Asia is itself a category within Category:Extinct languages. — Robert Greer (talk) 09:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)