Talk:Proud of Your Boy

Gavin McInnes and the 'Proud Boys'
There have been several edits to this page discussing the use of Proud of Your Boy in relation to Gavin McInnes, the Proud Boys organization, and the use of the song by McInnes in assorted media appearances. These edits seem to be contentious in terms of relevance. An edit that I made previously was reverted by Javiero Fernandez.

For Wikipedia articles on songs, sections on a song's appearance/use elsewhere in culture is fairly standard; sections on use in pop culture, other media, and/or cultural influence is within the scope of a song's article. Usage of Proud of Your Boy in media such as The Gavin McInnes Show and The Rebel Media is extensive and one of the most notable uses of the song, especially considering the obscure nature of the track, seeing as it was cut from the original film.

Similar sections on pop culture, cultural influence, and covers of/media use of songs are included with minimal contention other articles. E.g., discussion of Part of Your World being used by feminist and LGBT organizations, Be Our Guest being parodied in a TV commercial for a supermarket, Heigh-Ho being used as a jingle for a radio program on economics, etc.

Is there a particular reason why a comparable section would be outside of the scope of this article? It is highly plausible that the objections to this inclusion are influenced more by objection to McInnes/the Proud Boys' as a political movement than due to relevance.

DirkDouse (talk) 15:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. I have no time for the American extreme right, but it is not acceptable to suppress or censor information on Wikipedia. The article needs a See Also section linking to Proud Boys at the very least. --Ef80 (talk) 14:46, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

One of the references is to The Beaverton, this is a satirical publication, should this be removed ? 81.24.248.8 (talk) 05:43, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

I have removed reference to Proud Boys, because I believe it is undue. People choose to name their team, group or whatever after something that inspires them. This information should be contained within Proud Boys. The media reference doesn't go in depth beyond that they were named after this song. If someone names something after the Atlantic Ocean, you don't put his group name in Atlantic Ocean even if media says the group was inspired by the ocean. Graywalls (talk) 03:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * If it checks out, this may be the primary notability of the song. Even if not, it is worth including because it is overwhelmingly sourced as one of the outcomes of the subject of the article. Regardless, Wikipedia has no deadline, so there is no harm to the project in waiting to see how this all resolves. - Wikidemon (talk) 05:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This suggests it was sensationalism. Instead of just being mentioned as Proud Boys named themselves after this, we should wait for reliable sources to say this song gained notability or something like that because of Proud Boys. Graywalls (talk) 21:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/bond-agreement-for-kyle-rittenhouse-modified-after-he-allegedly-flashed-white-power-signs-at-bar/2420878/ says:


 * A motion previously filed by prosecutors said five men at the tavern serenaded Rittenhouse with the song “Proud of Your Boy," which has become the anthem of the Proud Boys, a white supremacist group whose members have been identified as being involved in the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.


 * I came here to see what was being sung. I'd never heard of it within Aladdin, probably because it wasn't in the movie. Given that it wasn't in the original or the live action remake, and given the notability of that racist group and how they were brought up during the presidential debate, etc., I would suggest that this use of the song is its primary nobility and should at least be mentioned on this page. Banaticus (talk) 06:19, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Proud Boys
I think one of two things needs to happen: either the article should mention that the Proud Boys named themselves after this song, or the category Category:Proud Boys should be removed (per WP:CATV. I see there was some discussion above starting in 2018. I am only familiar with the song because of this association, but it's possible that sources about the song rarely mention it. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of more regular editors at this article, and previous discussion participants, . Firefangledfeathers 21:06, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Last time I looked at this article (a few months ago) there was a mention somewhere of the Proud Boys in the article. Is this issue still contentious? I feel like most of the people who have commented on this page agree that it should be mentioned in some capacity. It seems like this dispute has been going on for like four years now. I agree with what I stated previously (that it should be mentioned here in some capacity, and that there are numerous sources discussing this). Is there anyone here who disagrees who can articulate a reason why it is not relevant to include this? DirkDouse (talk) 05:21, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, when that discussion first started in approx 2018, this article was only a few paragraphs long. This was also very briefly after the Proud Boys decided to name themselves after the song. It seems like a lot of the attention to this page only occurred after that event in the first place, considering that Aladdin was released in 1992. I.e., this seems like a primary reason why this article even has attention in the first place. DirkDouse (talk) 05:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a one line disambig hatnote linking to Proud Boys is appropriate? --Ef80 (talk) 11:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not opposed to that, but it seems like it would fit better under "Impact." Or maybe as a "See Also." DirkDouse (talk) 19:56, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a very brief mention to "Impact". Firefangledfeathers 05:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I'll just repeat what I said in an earlier discussion. Given that this song wasn't in the original film or the live action remake of the film, and given the notability of that racist group, etc., I would suggest that the group's connection to the song is the primary point of notability for the song and thus the connection should at least be mentioned. Banaticus (talk) 07:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)