Talk:Provence

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I'm Pretty Sure that there is no Cedilla in the 'c' in the name 'Provence'. As 'c' before 'e' in french always makes an 's' sound anyway.Mumanddadsson 23:28, 9 july 2007 (bst)

This page seems to be written by a native French speaker using an online translation. While I applaud their efforts, the page needs help. It is confusing in some places, with random words inserted to the point where I can't understand the entire sentence. I don't feel qualified to edit, being that I know next to nothing about the subject. I'm hoping someone else will be able to do justice to this important topic. Vannav 02:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Repared vandalism to previous comment. Bobprime 03:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Vannav's comment. I've had a little bash myself. Sjoh0050 10:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

This should definitely not be merged with the other two regions. Provence is a distinct region and should be treated that way by the wiki. AnthonyWS 9 Nov 2006 (UTC)


 * Should not be merged. Removed merge tag. --Bob 20:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for map
I think this article would benefit from a map. Even though there is one at the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur article, it would be good not to have to click through to see it. Do map requests get listed at "Requested pictures" - or somewhere else? J. Van Meter 23:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I have added a map, per your request. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SiefkinDR (talk • contribs) 16:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Daylight hours
Just a small piece of haha pedantry here. Maybe it's because I don't fully understand the mechanism used to quantify the total daylight hours, but it seems odd to me that the number should be above 24 (it is shown as "2900h" and compared to "1600h" in Dunkirk). If someone would be so good as to clarify this I would be grateful. El Oscuro 10:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Weather
What's all this about "dreadful" weather and getting more rain than London?

Map, please
A map would be nice, please. -- 201.37.229.117 (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added the best map I could find. I am looking for a more detailed one. SiefkinDR —Preceding unsigned comment added by SiefkinDR (talk • contribs) 16:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

hello people there how are you guy doing?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.228.73 (talk) 04:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Provinces of Hispania older (?) than Gallia Transalpina
I think this statement may be untrue: "Provence is so named because it was the first Roman province outside Italy." It's so named because the Romans called it the or our province (often capitalized), but the provinces of Hispania were organized and regularly assigned as a provincia much earlier. I'm pretty sure about this but don't have a citation at hand. Cynwolfe (talk) 21:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Good point. I've dropped the claim that it was the oldest Roman province, and just noted that it was called our province, and thus the name. SiefkinDR (talk) 07:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps a brief mention of Seperatists movement Provence?
Always been interested in South Of France (mothers ancestors came from ther!) Heard a speratists movement not very strong. Still aspires to a "FREE PROVENCE" from rest of France !Is this so? A mention of this political movement might be in order for Article ? Merci" Thanks! (datedPMAfternoonMnAug31,200921stcentByDr.Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC "X") ANDREMOI (talk) 00:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Disagreement with Map Placed On Page
I disagree with this new map being put onto the page - it's huge, it only represents Provence as it was at one time in history, it doesn't show any cities or borders, and it doesn't give any explanation of the map or coat of arms. Under rulers it only mentions two names. This isn't the place to list all the past rulers of Provence, there's a separate article for that. If there's a map at all, it should be much smaller and show cities. Since the borders of Provence are not well defined, I think it's better to have the pictures rather than this map. What do others think? SiefkinDR (talk) 12:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I used this map as a guide of the historical provinces of France. Maps are supposed to be simple IMO, maps of geographical regions and territories don't tend to have all cities and so on shown in the infobox. I think also with the case of Provence itself, it no longer exist administratively, rather is a historical and cultural entity. The "Provinces of France" map, I think, lists the borders of it before Napoleon abolished them all. Its different scope to the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, which existed after the French annexed Nice. The rulers mentioned are the first and the last, before the title was merged with the French Crown. - Yorkshirian (talk)

I see your point, but I still don't think the map and flag and list of rulers are appropriate for this particular article. This article is about Provence today, not Provence as an historical province, and there is no flag of Provence today, nor is the map the same what is generally considered to be Provence today. I'd suggest that you do a separate historical article on Provence before it became part of France, for which the flags and list of historical leaders would be appropriate. SiefkinDR (talk) 06:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Its always been part of France so far as I'm aware but under the feudal system, with fiefs and vassals, it had its own Ruler who was alligned to the King of France. In essense, the only Provence that exists in law today is "Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur". Provence as such only exists as a historical and to some continuing as a "cultural" region. The map shown is from when it was a county and then afterwards, when it was within the centralised Kingdom of France as a province (once the county title was merged with the Crown). - Yorkshirian (talk) 21:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I live there, and I can tell you that Provence has a very strong identity, and it's not just about history or the political region. This article is not about medieval Provence, but about the cultural identity of that part of France, which is as strong as that of Normandy or Burgundy or Alsace or any other part of France. It hasn't always been part of France, it was connected with several different empires and kingdoms. And I also think that pictures of Provence today tell you more about the place than historic flags. SiefkinDR (talk) 07:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Maps and the Purpose of this Article
With all respect to Yorkshirian, this is an article about the cultural region of Provence as it is today, along with its history from prehistoric times to the present. It is not about one particular period in the history of Provence, and the flag and map and names of rulers that were added by Yorkshirian belonged to one particular period, and aren't representative of Provence today or in its earlier history. The flag usually used for historical Provence is very different from the one posted, and is contained in the current flag of the region. Also, I think pictures give a much better view of what Provence is about than old flags. Other comments welcome. SiefkinDR (talk) 08:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

FACTORS FOR MIGRATION AWAY FROM PROVENCE
I wonder if anyone has data about what special conditions prompted people to leave the Provence during the second part of the 19th century. My ancestor, for example, left the Barcelonnette area and headed to Argentina.GalliceGallice (talk) 17:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You may want to post your question there Reference desk/Humanities and you may receive an answer more quickly than here. olivier (talk) 08:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Provence and Nice
hello, The deletion of the picture of Nice of the article was cancelled... But I absolutely don't see why Nice should be part of Provence. It is part of PACA, of course, but not of Provence itself. Historicaly speaking, Nice belonged to Provence during the Middle Age, however, Istanbul was still Byzantine Constantinople more recently, and on an article of Greece, no one will put a picture of Istanbul... Monsieur W (talk) 07:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Film
I think the offhanded mention of "A Good Year" seems a bit emotive, opinionated, and without documentation, citation, or reference. It's the most beautiful place in the world, sure... but saying "the film shows the *true* beauty...." seems to suggest that no other film has shown it's "true" beauty... a concept that is obviously of personal preference. It's not my battle to fight, but the way it was written seems a bit silly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unclefishbits (talk • contribs) 17:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Penguins
I've changed this to 'auks' as no penguins would have been in the area at the time of the paintings - and probably never were any at all. The penguin is, barring one small territory, a southern hemisphere bird. The source given is in French, and the word there will be 'pingouin'. This refers both to the southern penguins and the northern equivalents the auks. The auks in the paintings may be great or little auks, but are possibly more likely to be guillemots. The auks are now found in more northern waters, but were likely in the Mediterranean at the time as the north would be icebound. Peridon (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Lead Paragraph
I think we're making good progress on the first paragraph, with a balance of the historical and the present-day. I'm trying to stress that it's not just an historical area or a political entity but a region with a distinct culture. SiefkinDR (talk) 14:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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Salade niçoise
I've added Salade niçoise to Cuisine section of the article. My edits were reverted by User:Eric without explanation. Reasons? 185.33.173.245 (talk) 09:09, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you see my edit summary? In any case, we do not and would not call this a "fish salad" in English. Have you read the salade niçoise article you linked, and noted the ingredients? Besides all this, listing dishes of Provençal origin does not really improve the article. And, knowing Wikipedia, there's probably already a fluff travel article on southern French cuisine that lists the salad. Eric talk 14:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I did read your edit summary, it did not explain anything. If "fish salad" is not how it should be called, you are welcome to come up with a better description. This would be productive. Deleting a well-intentioned input instead of fixing and improving it is counter-productive. Anyway, it is beyond doubt that salade niçoise is one of the most known and characteristic provençal dishes, and thus should be mentioned BEFORE most other dishes already listed in the article. 185.33.173.245 (talk) 14:22, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * To elaborate: Salade niçoise is not a "fish salad". One of its traditional ingredients is tuna. And we do not use the word famous this way in English, especially not in a reference work. If you are intent on listing that salad in the article, I suggest you read the article on the salad and come up with a summary yourself. I hope this is sufficient explanation for you. Eric talk 15:55, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

The cuisine section
I think this section is way too long not to be it’s own article. BiliousBob (talk) 08:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree that it is far too long. Not sure what the guidance is on creating "cuisine of region x" articles though; I would doubt it is encouraged, as such a genre could easily get out of control. Eric talk 13:12, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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