Talk:Province of Monza and Brianza

Requested move

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move from Province of Monza e Brianza to Province of Monza and Brianza, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 03:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Support I suggest this move because the current title seems a clumsy half-translation. If we translate Provincia di as ‘Province of’ (as, probably rightly, we always do) then I feel we should translate e as ‘and’. Not to do so could leave the great majority of our users a bit confused. —Ian Spackman 22:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Reasonable; the alternative would be to say Monza e Brianza as we do with French departments; this redlink should become a redirect after the move. . Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. - Ev 00:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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53 comuni or 50?
The official webpage from the Province of Milan website, La Fabbrica della Nuova Provincia only lists 50 comuni that will be forming the new province. It does not list Busnago, Caponago, or Cornate d'Adda, which are all on our list. Backspace 07:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Or maybe 55. It seems to be a work in progress. According to the Italian Wikipedia (in summary, and assuming I am not mis-translating):
 * On 29 June 2006, Cornate d'Adda was officially added to the earlier list of 50 communes.
 * The communes of Busnago, Caponago e Roncello are in favour of joining and are expected to be members
 * The commune of Lentate sul Seveso initially decided to remain part of the the Province of Milan, even though it would become an exclave, entirely surrounded by communes belonging either to the new province or to the Province of Como. However, in July 2007, following a change in its political makeup the Consiglio Comunale [the council, rather than the cabinet (or Giunta) of the commune] officially sanctioned the commune’s becoming part of the Province of Monza and Brianza.
 * So currently the new province comprises 55 communes.''
 * I don’t know how accurate or up to date that is. As far as I can make out, from quickly skimming what I googled, the 50 founding communes are defined by the law which instituted the new province, and that law will have to be modified (and passed in both chambers) for the province to be expanded. Probably it will be, but perhaps later rather than earlier, if only to give various undecided communes the chance to make up their minds. There are also, I believe, arrangements afoot for communes enter into an association with the new provincial, either as a transitional measure before becoming full members, or for a longer period in order to simplify the provision of services.
 * So currently the new province comprises 55 communes.''
 * I don’t know how accurate or up to date that is. As far as I can make out, from quickly skimming what I googled, the 50 founding communes are defined by the law which instituted the new province, and that law will have to be modified (and passed in both chambers) for the province to be expanded. Probably it will be, but perhaps later rather than earlier, if only to give various undecided communes the chance to make up their minds. There are also, I believe, arrangements afoot for communes enter into an association with the new provincial, either as a transitional measure before becoming full members, or for a longer period in order to simplify the provision of services.
 * I don’t know how accurate or up to date that is. As far as I can make out, from quickly skimming what I googled, the 50 founding communes are defined by the law which instituted the new province, and that law will have to be modified (and passed in both chambers) for the province to be expanded. Probably it will be, but perhaps later rather than earlier, if only to give various undecided communes the chance to make up their minds. There are also, I believe, arrangements afoot for communes enter into an association with the new provincial, either as a transitional measure before becoming full members, or for a longer period in order to simplify the provision of services.
 * I don’t know how accurate or up to date that is. As far as I can make out, from quickly skimming what I googled, the 50 founding communes are defined by the law which instituted the new province, and that law will have to be modified (and passed in both chambers) for the province to be expanded. Probably it will be, but perhaps later rather than earlier, if only to give various undecided communes the chance to make up their minds. There are also, I believe, arrangements afoot for communes enter into an association with the new provincial, either as a transitional measure before becoming full members, or for a longer period in order to simplify the provision of services.


 * But what I did google was surprisingly vague. A big problem with the Provincia di Milano pages is that they are undated. There’s a page on a semi-official site, http://www.monzaebrianzainrete.it/dynamic/pageById.do?id=223 (April 2006), which is in no doubt that the future of Busnago, Caponago and Cornate d'Adda lies in the shade of Queen Theolinda’s duomo [!] and expects others to join them. Then (according to that page) there are quite a few communes on the Adda which are likely to join. But, beyond saying that the law of 11 June 2004, n146 define 50, but that it is expected that this will increase to include x, y, z, and others, I am not sure that we can yet be too precise.

—Ian Spackman 17:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

There are 50 communes
Now there are officially 50 communes in the province of Monza and Brianza! Busnago, Caponago, Cornate d'Adda, Lentate sul Seveso and Roncello are in the province of Milan in this moment...this is an officially news! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.61.238.162 (talk) 16:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Update
There are 55 communies in the "Province of Monza and Brianza"! Shut up and go cry to mummy! Check your information provider or change your pusher. Fonts: me, the world boss --87.2.50.129 (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

New coat of arms
Please can you change the old coat of arms of the province of Monza and Brianza with the new one? This is the new coat of arms http://www.araldicacivica.it/stemmi/province/stemma/?id=109 Thanks. --Simonemb (talk) 16:38, 21 April 2012 (CEST)