Talk:Provinces and territories of Canada/Archive 1

Province table notes
Customarily, here in Canada the provinces are listed West to East (left to right). Failing that listing alphabetically is okay. Other sequences, such as by population, are usually avoided in long term documents because this is a new country and relative populations are changing. - keith —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.80.153 (talk) 22:38, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I think that if anyone is going to reference canada whom ever is completing the article should do some research first. I have edited the capital of ontario to Ottawa, due to the fact that Toronto was listed, which is commonly mistaking as our capital. All in all Ottawa is our capital. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.41.43 (talk) 17:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you retarded? Toronto is the capital of Ontario, Ottawa is the capital of Canada.

Wouldn't it make more sense to have all the information that is currently posted as footnotes under the province table in the history section? It would certainly make for a neater presentation. - aFreeNflder

This table isn't functioning right at all. It will not sort by Capital or by Largest City. Sorting by any field whatsoever causes the data to become gibberish. This seems to be because provinces with a common date of entering confederation are joined together in the initial presentation of the data in that cell. When re-sorting by any field, that join breaks and wreaks havoc with the remaining data. I can see tables that list populations under the "Entering Confederation" field, dates under "Population" and even the name "Alberta" stuck in the table header. Someone who knows more about wiki tables than me needs to fix this.--Habfan29 (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

How about a table of "Have and Have Not" provinces? There doesn't seem to be any place in Wikipedia that covers this issue and equalization grants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.80.153 (talk) 22:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The provinces are listed in order of best to worst which is a perfectly acceptable metric.

Nunavut
Please tell us more of this Nunavut. Is the identity of this Nunavut identical to either the District of Keewatin(sp?) or District of MacKenzie(sp?)? Do either of those districts still exist as geographic entities?


 * No and no. See Nunavut, as well as Northwest Territories for some history. - Montr&eacute;alais

Merged from Territories of Canada
Took the information from Territories of Canada and merged it with the info already in this article, and changed the other to a redirect. Should make more sense than two articles dealing with the same thing, I hope--SonicAD 21:36, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Conflict in table of Provinces and Territories
This table follows Canadian custom by listing the provinces in order from west to east., but then it starts with Newfoundland and ends with British Columbia, i.e., east to west. Is custom east-west, or is the table backwards? Nik42 04:51, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I've updated the description. I don't know which is more common.  &mdash;Michael Z. 2005-02-5 14:59 Z 

Nunatsiavut
So you think it is worth to mention Nunatsiavut in the territories section as, say, an "autonomous territory within Newfoundland and Labrador", or whatever it is officially called? Circeus 15:06, August 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. I don't see any difference between it, and any other "territory" granted (or recognized) by treaty with other aboriginal groups.  This is a different, unrelated use of the word "territory", than what's used in this article.  --rob 21:58, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Land claims should not be presented as settled political facts until they are settled. So adding Nunatsiavut would be pre-mature.  And if it does become an "autonomous territory within Newfoundland and Labrador" how will it be politically or legally different than any of the municipal governments and Indian Reserves that dot the rest of Canada?


 * If eventually mentioned, Nunatsiavut should be mentioned in the article of the government that contains it, so within Newfoundland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.80.153 (talk) 22:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Table format problems
It's my opinion that the section listing the provinces and territories should come before the details on governance, but I realize the problem with the table and infobox overlapping. Even with the governance section first, the tables and infobox still overlapped for me, when I reduced the size of my browser window.

Not sure if there's a better solution, but I added the  tag, and now the table will come after the infobox. Unfortunately, this might leave some whitespace. To help alleviate that, I moved the map (I'll also look into creating a new, free-license map to replace this one) and added historical context about how/when the provinces joined Canada. -Aude ( talk | contribs ) 21:58, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there! I commend your attempts to better organise the article and agree with 'em.


 * Unfortunately, the formatting changes are wreaking havoc on the rendition and or alignment of information in the article (e.g,, tables crashing with template). I'll try to tweak this as well and wish I could counsel you on how to go about this effectively.  Until then, however, I'm going to restore the last good version. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've restored my edits, and (hopefully) fixed the alignment issue you had. All was needed is to adjust the map size.  It's not perfect though, as some people will have a bit of white space between the map and the table.  To really solve the problem, I think either the tables should go entirely, and just list the provinces.  Or cut back the table width (this is the problem) of the tables.  Perhaps, get rid of "other abbreviations" and "area (land)", "area water" &mdash; these should be in the province articles anyway.  A third option would be get rid of the infobox.  An article about the provinces and territories sounds like a geography article to me anyway, not a politics of Canada article.  The bottom line, we can't have tables this wide and the infobox together.  For many people, the tables and infobox will overlap.  -Aude ( talk | contribs ) 01:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, the governance table is still overlapping the infobox. But, I give up.  Don't know how to fix it, so that we can have both all these tables and the infobox. -Aude ( talk | contribs ) 01:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with you regarding the article sxn, but (as well) both tables and infobox are arguably necessary ... hence restoration of the prior arrangement. In an attempt to address the 'funky chicken' formatting, I've made a tweak to the map and moved it down and to the left.  It's imperfect but (pending a better solution) works.  Sorry. :(  If you can rectify the odd formatting, though, I'd support proposed changes.  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 02:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Still, there's only so much width across a screen. I suggest then cutting a few, lesser-important details that can go in the province articles themselves.  For example, "area water", "area land", and "other abbreviations".  And in the governance table, none of the provinces have a senate or senators.  So, I suggest eliminating those columns.  The tables would then be not as wide and less likely to conflict with the infobox.
 * A second point... just describing each of the provinces in table formatting is inadequate, as there is much more of a story to each of the provinces that needs to be told. And compare and contrast them (politically, geographically, economically, ...).  I suggest there be a short blurb about each province with a  link.  As well, such blurbs would push down the tables, to a point where none would overlap the infobox. -Aude ( talk | contribs ) 02:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There are two issues here: formatting and content. As for the former, only in the smallest resolutions (at least for me, in both Firefox and IE) did the rearrangements appear fine.  The current one does.  I'm all for reorganising the article, but it must (of course) be effectively done.


 * To that end, I think the governance table is fine: it provides distinctions between the federal and provincial governments. It might be important, for someone wanting to know it, that provinces (with unicameral legislatures) have no senates or senators.  Ditto for the politics infobox (though wouldn't sweat if this were removed).  And while I'm all for not throwing in the kitchen sink into the other tables, I disagree that they currently are excessive.  I specifically added land and water areas to the tables because they did not exist elsewhere in Wp ... and these tables seem(ed) a logical place for that.  If anything, those details should be in the table and infoboxes.  Merely listing areas in the Geography of Canada article would be like orphaning. :)


 * Perhaps table text should be rendered in smaller fonts? Another example is the table in the Canada article: from that, this one should (more or less) contain the information there.


 * Similarly, I don't think descriptive details regarding each 'subdivision' need to be addressed in this article – that's what the genuine articles (pardon the pun!), with piped wikilinks, are for. :)  Thoughts? E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 02:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Difference Province and Territory
Question: What is the legal difference between the two? The article mentions that Provinces have their own taxes, and some power vis-a-vis the Federal government, but doesnt specifiy whether this is also the case for territories. Perhaps there should be a somewhat larger elaboration on wheth the differences are between the two in the intro, because currently the article seems to take that information for granted.

Cheers, The Minist   e   r of War   (Peace) 10:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The territories don't have members in the Parliament and the Provinces do 50.98.122.61 (talk) 21:07, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course they do. Where do you think Leona Aglukkaq (Minister of Health (Canada)), Dennis Bevington and Ryan Leef are from? We even get to have senators. Look at Provinces and territories of Canada. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 10:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

The
In the Canadian vernacular, people say things like "Bob works in the Northwest Territories but lives in the Yukon". I notice that this article, however, omits the definite article 'the'. I'm sure different people like it different ways, but I think it's most common to include the article. I see that the Yukon government website omits the word, while the NWT government website keeps it. 32.97.110.142 00:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Newfoundland and Labrador Joined Confederation When?
The data given in the 1949 link from Wikipedia states that it was March 31, 1949, not March 13, 1949. The date is significant in Newfoundland lore specifically by those opposed to the political union. Their prevailing opinion was that Newfoundlanders should have waited one more day to play the fool (ie, as the next day was April 1, Fool's Day) no we will not change it24.43.205.27 06:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC) Paul - Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

Proposed provinces
Do we have anywhere on WP a list of proposed provinces that never came to fruition? During the Riel rebellion there was a plan for one big province called Assiniboia. I'm also thinking the alternative plans to divide the NWT into AB and SK in 1905. There was a plan for one large called Buffalo, there was a plan for three provinces (AB, SK, and Assiniboia). And there was a plan for two N - S provinces rather than the E - W we have today. Anyone? Kevlar67 00:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Federal, provincial, and territorial terminology compared
The head of the territoriews is listed as "Government Leader" in the table. Hasn't the title changed to "Premier"? --Qyd 13:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

study on provincis and territories
I know this might not matter to you but im a teen trying to study up on The provincis and territories of Canada it would really help many people if you posted two pictures of canada one with only territories and one with provinces and maybe even on ewith both. That would really help me out thanks a lot your web site is great. ~haley Anderson age 15 date June 4th 2007 9:57 .....thanks again


 * Look at the basic politic map of Canada at Image:Map Canada political.png; the three big ones in the northwest are territories. The other ten are provinces.  --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 03:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

That map has been deleted. I do not know the new file for this map. David Spector (talk) 23:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Image:Map Canada political 2.png --Debouch (talk) 01:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Provincial constitutions?
I'm asking a question that on its face may seem not related to the article, but please bear with me. Do Canadian provinces have their own constitutions, as do the states of the US? From what I can tell, they do not, and this seems to be an important distiction that ought to be covered in the article, using reliable sources of course. - BillCJ (talk) 23:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess it depends on what you mean by a "constitution". They don't have a constitution that is self-contained in a single document. The parts of the Canadian Constitution that describe the office of lieutenant governor could be considered part of the provincial constitutions. The acts establishing the legislatures, elections, and courts could be considered part of their constitutions. However, anything that owes its existence to a provincial act is not entrenched -- it can be altered by ordinary legislation, no need for a two-thirds majority or anything like that. Indefatigable (talk) 04:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you are interested in the topic of provincial constitutions, see Provinces: Canadian Provincial Politics edited by Christopher J. C. Dunn; in particular, see the fifth chapter Provincial Constitutions contributed by Nelson Wiseman (note that there are pages missing from the Google version of this book). "There will continue to be uncertainty, murkiness, contradiction, imprecision and unpredictability in delimiting the boundaries, content and the very meaning of provincial constitutions" is a quote from this chapter on page 160.  So unless you're really, really, really interested in constitutional law, try not to give this topic too much thought as it might make your head hurt. ;-) R. A. Hicks (talk) 08:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Federal, provincial, and territorial terminology compared
Why does the table have columns for Senate and Senator, when they don't have them? It's like putting a column for Presidents in a "List of Leaders of the UK". -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 01:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Because it's comparing the provinces and territories to the Federal Government of Canada, which does have a Senate and senators - that's what the top bolded line is. If we removed those, then someone would be asking why we aren't showing that the Federal gov't has a Senate and senaotrs. Perhaps the table needs to be reworked to put the Fed. gov't in a separate line from the heading. - BillCJ (talk) 02:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

political parties more unstable at federal level?
Can this be said? Look at the turbulent battles between the socreds, liberals and ndp in bc.

Grand Lodges in Canada
I noticed that there were just as many Grand Lodges as there are provinces in Canada : Grand Lodge of Ontario, Grand Lodge of Quebec, Grand Lodge of Manitoba, Grand Lodge of New Brunswick, Grand Lodge of Nova Scotia, Grand Lodge of Prince Edward Island, Grand Lodge of Alberta, Grand Lodge of British Columbia, Grand Lodge of Saskatchewan. Is this just a coincidence, or were the provinces originally created in order to correspond to the Grand Lodge territories ? ADM (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Provinces and territories of Canada and #Territories table format
The tables at "Provinces and territories of Canada" and "Provinces and territories of Canada" had a formatting bug that appeared when sorting by some (but not all!) columns: the sub-headings "Land", "Water", "Total", "House of Commons", and "Senate", and the name of the first listed province and its flag, would end up in the wrong place. Also, the table as formatted meant that there was only one sort "button" for land/water/total area and for Commons/Senate. I've restructured the tables slightly to avoid these problems. (I've also added a non-breaking space in the column heading for "Population".) Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 05:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC).
 * (Text above now updated to reflect that "Territories" table has also been reformatted. Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 05:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC).)

Arms vs. shield
I have changed "Arms" to "Shield" a second time. My previous change was changed back on basis that "arms" are more common than "shield". That may be but they are not the same thing. Arms consist of shield plus supporters, etc. The table only shows the shield for each province, not their arms. The table should therefore be headed "Shield" not "Arms" or the shields should be replaced by the arms. I am not about to do that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hebbgd (talk • contribs) 15:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed; accuracy trumps WP:COMMONNAME. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:21, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Broken references
^ Department of Justice Canada (1985). "Northwest Territories Act". Retrieved 2007-01-27.

^ Department of Justice Canada (2002). "Yukon Act". Retrieved 2007-01-27

Ashleyjohnston (talk) 20:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Hwy43 (talk) 06:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)