Talk:Provinces and territories of Canada/Archive 2

Merge
Merge stubby Administrative divisions of Canada into this? Littledogboy (talk) 23:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No. Leave this as is. There is a forthcoming effort to create a List of municipalities in Canada (currently a redirect). Once created, I'd suggest making Administrative divisions of Canada a dab pointing to Provinces and territories of Canada and List of municipalities in Canada. If it can't wait, make it a dab and point to Municipal government in Canada in place of the forthcoming list. Hwy43 (talk) 08:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, provinces and territories aren't the only administrative divisions in Canada. 117Avenue (talk) 05:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No, administrative divisions below Provincial level are a separate subject entirely from Provinces and Territories. Perhaps the articles need more clarification in this regard by merging is unneccessary. Mediatech492 (talk) 06:47, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Terminology
I think there is a need to explain the usage of the word province in the Canadian/British North American historical context. Komitsuki (talk) 16:16, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

precedence?
Incomprehensible talk about precedence of territories without any link. Does that decide which one gets federal funds first if there aren't enough or does it decide which one's representatives walk or talk first at ceremonial events? --Espoo (talk) 07:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Template produces poor PDF (print) output
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Dated Information
The list of Lieutenant Governors is dated; in particular Janet Austin should be listed as the current viceregal representative for British Columbia. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Austin for details.Jrradney (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Demographic Evolution Section
The population of Canada increased every year since Confederation in 1867. The first national census of the country was taken in 1871, and it covered the four provinces part of Canada at the time. It recorded a population of 1,620,851 in Ontario, 1,191,516 in Quebec, 387,800 in Nova Scotia and 285,594 in New Brunswick The population of each of these provinces continues to grow every year uninterrupted. However, their growth was slow in the late 19th century because there was few economic opportunities in Canada during this period.As a result, many Canadians opted to emigrate in the United States for work.

This phenomenon hit Quebec especially hard. Approximately 900,000 Quebec residents (French Canadian for the great majority) left for the United States between 1840 and 1930. However, Quebec's population losses to emigration during this period were largely offset by its natural population growth. Indeed, until the middle of the 20th century, Quebec had a birth rate considerably higher than most of its contemporary industrialized societies. This period of high French-Canadian population growth is nicknamed "la revanche des berceaux". Population growth in the Northwest Territories, and then the Western Provinces, picked up when the Canadian government passed the Dominion Lands Act in 1872 to encourage the settlement of the Canadian Prairies, and to help prevent the area from being claimed by the United States. The act gave a claimant 160 acres (or 65 hectares) for free, the only cost to the farmer being a $10 administration fee. Any male farmer who was at least 21 years of age and agreed to cultivate at least 40 acres (16 ha) of the land and build a permanent dwelling on it (within three years) qualified. The population of the Canadian prairies grew rapidly in the last decade of the 19th century, and the population of Saskatchewan quintupled from 91,000 in 1901 to 492,000 to 1911. The vast majority of these people were immigrants from Europe.

Early counts of Northwest Territories' population tend to exclude in indigenous inhabitants of the Territory. The territory's population drops at the turn of the 20th and 21 century are due to its reduction in size, as Yukon, then Saskatchewan and Alberta were carved out of its territory, and the same with Nunavut a century later. Yukon's population spike at the turn of the 20th century is due to the Klondike Gold Rush, when an estimated 100,000 people tried to reach the Klondike goldfields between 1896 and 1899, of whom only around 30,000 to 40,000 eventually did.

Generally, Canadian Provinces steadily grew in population along with Canada. However, some provinces experienced long periods of stagnation or population decline. After peaking in 1891, Prince Edward Island's population started to decline every year until 1941, after which the Province started growing again. In Saskatchewan, after rapid population explosion at the beginning of the century, its population declined during the Great Depression, and it's growth had been slow ever since. From 1931 to 2016, Saskatchewan's population only raised by 19.2%, well below the national average. Newfoundland and Labrador, on the other hand, experienced slow but continuous growth until the 1990s, when the cod fisheries collapsed, and their population started to fall.

After the collapse of the Canadian Birth rate, most provinces now sustain their population with immigration from the developing world. The number of new immigrants increases every year. {| class="wikitable" Historical Population Graphs. ! Ontario ! Quebec ! Nova Scotia ! New Brunswick ! Manitoba ! British Columbia ! Prince Edward Island ! Saskatchewan

! Alberta ! Newfoundland and Labrador ! Northwest Territories ! Yukon ! Nunavut ! colspan="3" rowspan="2" |
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The demographic weight of each provinces in Canada has always constituted a sensitive issue. In 1840, the Durham Report recommended that Upper and Lower Canada be united into one province. The newly created Legislative Assembly of the Province of Canada was required to have equal representation from Canada East and Canada West, even though the population of Canada East was considerably larger. In 1840, the population of Canada East was estimated at 670,000, while the population of Canada West was estimated to be 480,000. Lord Durham had not recommended this approach, and had instead proposed that the representation should be based on the respective populations of the two regions. The British government rejected that recommendation and instead implemented sectional equality, apparently to give the English-speaking population of the new province a dominant voice in the provincial government.

However, the 1851 census revealed that Canada West's population had surpassed Canada East's. This fact fueled demands in Canada West for the end of sectional equality and the move toward allocating seats in the legislation on the basis of population, nicknamed "rep by pop". This was a hotly contested issues at the constitutional conferences leading up to confederation, and the colonies reached a comprise in which the seats in the federal lower house(House of commons) would be allocated by population, and the seats in the federal upper house(Senate) would be allocated on the basis of Regions —Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes— that would each have 24 seats.

Thoughout Canada's history, Ontario and Quebec were always Canada's two biggest provinces. However, their combined demographic weight decreased from over 80% upon Confederation to just over 60% in 2016. The Atlantic provinces also lost importance within Canada, from around 20% upon confederation to under 7% today. The West's importance, however, has only increased, from insignificant levels in 1971 to over 30% of the country in 2016. In the first half of the 20th century, the largest western province was Saskatchewan, but its population was later eclipsed by Alberta and British Columbia.

The issue of the demographic weight of each provinces came up during the negotiations for the Patriation of the Constitution, and especially discussions around the amending formula of the constitution. The final formula stipulates that minor changes to the constitution had to be approved by the Parliament of Canada and the Legislature of 7 provinces representing at least 50% of the Canadian population. The essentially meant that either Ontario or Quebec had to agree to any constitutional amendments that affect all provinces.

Quebec had managed to maintain a stable demographic weight within to Canada during the first half of the 20th century due to its high birth rate. However, their importance began to slip as their birth rate started to fall in the 1960s. Quebec wanted to make it up through immigration, and for this purpose created its Ministry of Immigration in 1968, and negotiated for increased powers in this field with the federal government. However, new immigrants to Canada disproportionally go the Ontario, British Columbia and Alberta, fueling their rise in demographic weight. In response, a Canada–Québec Accord was concluded in 1991 which, among other things, guaranteed Quebec an immigration rate proportional to its demographic weight in Canada. This provinsion was not fulfilled, as in 2005, immigration to Quebec represented only 16.5% of all immigration to Canada.

Quebec also attempted to maintain its weight within the Canadian House of Commons during the constitutional negotiations of the early 1990s. Under the Charlottetown Accord, in exchange for Quebec losing Senate seats under a Triple-E Senate (dropping from 24 to 6), Quebec was guaranteed never to be allotted less than 25% of the seats in the House of Commons. The Accord was ultimately defeated in a public referendum.

Context

I read over all the policies linked and fixed the issues with my contribution accordingly. However, this article is not simply about an "area" or a "place", it's about Provinces and Territories, federated States whose main aspects are: (1) their population, (2) their territory, and (3) their government. --Mottezen (talk) 23:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * We have sub articles for just this.. This is not a article about demographics it's a political article. List of Canadian provinces and territories by population ( where the info was moved to). This is not the article to jam in chart after chart of population stats...or religious stats... or birth rates....or fertility rates.... or ethnicity...etc.....we have sub articles for all these cuz all that information would overwhelm this article..... especially when we do historical overviews.-- Moxy 🍁 00:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok no. This is just as much a "political article" or an article about an "area" as it is an article about "its people": It is and it isn't. Poitical scientists agree that a state is mainly composed of a population, a territory, and a government. In the previous article, there are multiple maps, tables and historical overviews covering the latter two aspects, and this section completes it for the first.
 * Objectively, the Demographic Evolution section does not overwhelm the article. Without this section, the article only has 12,171 characters of readable prose. With this section in, size alone doesn't justify division. The tables don't "jam" or overwhelm it either; not any more than the galleries of pictures of the legislative buildings. This is not a list article, where everything other than the list is somewhat out of place. On the other hand, the article you suggested this section be moved to, IS a list article. You say there are "sub articles for just this", but given they are either lists or cover the topic of Canada as a whole, I do not think any would fit the bill for this section.
 * You say this is not the article for "population charts", which you amalgamate with charts of other population statistics. However, the population of each provinces is prominently showed in the first table of the article. Furthermore, historical populations of the provinces is a very important political topic as it relates to the balance of power of each province within Canada. Mottezen (talk) 02:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Haved asked for more input...pls review Stable version and WP:3RR..-- Moxy 🍁 02:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * It’s very interesting work and Mottezen should be commended for it. But,  I think it fits better in an article about the population of the provinces. Maybe keep it there, but re-name the article so it’s no longer a “List” article and instead an article about provincial populations, including history? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No offense, but I basically agree that the evolution section should be in another article. This article is basically an article of summaries, so a summary section on the demographics should remain with a "main" pointer to the other article. It seems like the two List of Canadian provinces ... population and population growth articles should be merged in one article. Perhaps 'Population of the provinces and territories of Canada' could house the two lists and this 'evolution' section. Alaney2k (talk) 03:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I can live with this solution. I didn't think of renaming the lists but that is a wonderful idea. I guess we'd keep 4 or 5 sentences here + the pie chart? Mottezen (talk) 04:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I have created the Draft:Population of the provinces and territories of Canada for discussion. Of course, if a merge is done, history will have to be preserved somehow, something I know admins are good for. :-) Alaney2k (talk) 03:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * moved this to Population of Canada by province. I am ok with this title, but the histories of the two list articles should be preserved. Alaney2k (talk) 03:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Either title is fine, but yes this should be a formal merge. Mottezen (talk) 04:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I've undone the changes at List of Canadian provinces and territories by population similar to the changes here because that article was damaged by transcluding a section from this article, when the article already included that same text. Maybe when the issue here is resolved, we can set up appropriate reuse of the content. (And maybe that wasn't the right thing to do -- but the List article was trashed by having double content, so ...) -- Mikeblas (talk) 12:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * These two articles seem like unnecessary duplication. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 15:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think I agree. A list is a list -- usually not much more. This is an article about the collection (not a "List" article). I don't think we need both, particularly for a fixed list with small ordinality. Which should remain? -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)e
 * Perfect let’s get the new article started so that this article Does not have this accessibility nightmare— Moxy 🍁 19:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Isn't your motto "Civility, Maturity, Responsability"? Mottezen (talk) 21:56, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Have moved list of article to new name -thus preserving Help:Page history. Still have huge accessibility problem at the new page with charts as per MOS:DTAB. Hard code that does not meet the needs of many readers...more at Graphs and charts.-- Moxy 🍁 22:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * There's no hard code though Mottezen (talk) 07:42, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

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The British North America Act, 1867
Curiously, the change of the name of The British North America Act, 1867 to the Constitution Act, 1867 (and the changes of the names of a number of other Acts) by the UK Parliament was only in Canada, not the UK, and thus it is still The British North America Act, 1867 in the UK. The change was made by the Constitution Act, 1982 which was enacted as Schedule B to the Canada Act, 1982 (UK). Section 1 of the Canada Act, 1982 (UK) provides "The Constitution Act, 1982 set out in Schedule B to this Act is hereby enacted for and shall have the force of law  in Canada  and shall come into force as provided in that Act." {emphasis added} Hebbgd (talk) 13:26, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Since the Canada Act 1982 is only an Act of the British Parliament and not part of Canadian law, formatting conventions for British Acts of Parliament apply to it (no italics, no comma before the year). Since this is an article about Canada, the Canadian conventions continue to override this for Acts that are also Canadian law (such as "British North America Act, 1867" where that short title is mentioned). Additionally: do not refer to talk pages in encyclopedic content, such as marginal notes. Hairy Dude (talk) 11:56, 21 November 2021 (UTC)