Talk:Provinces of the Philippines

Filipino words
Per Wikipedia convention (more specifically the English Wikipedia), Filipino words should not be interspersed in the article except when absolutely necessary for explanation of specific issues. Wikipedia is not for language learning. Per that convention, Filipino words appended to English titles in the article are removed. --Gerald Farinas (talk) 20:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)magulo

Capitalization and hyphenation

 * 1) Is it "A province is administered by a governor" or "A province is administered by a Governor"? I think that unless it is used as a title (i.e., Governor Juan de la Cruz), it should be in small letters.
 * 2) Also, the correct form is hyphenated for "vice-governor", right?

&mdash;seav 06:31 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * That's my understanding.
 * The original form in England has been hyphenatd, but the American form -- considered very correct by Americans -- is not. I don't know the tradition of English in the Philippines, but if what you learned at school officially is more British-like, hyphenate it.
 * --Menchi 06:43 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * English in the Philippines is almost exclusively American in form (the Philippines having been under American rule for almost 50 years). That's why I find it strange since, personally, I consider the hyphenated form to be correct. Anyway, I've researched some more and I find out that the form used in the Local Government Code of the Philippines (1991), Book III is the hyphenated one. &mdash;seav 07:29 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Because "vice-governor" is not listed in most dictionaries, I compared "vice-president" of American and British dictionaries when I answered you. But now when I inspect more closely, the American dictionary (Merriam-Wesbter) also has some hyphenated words, usually more uncommon ones: vice-chancellor, vice-consul, vice-regent. And even have no space for one very anicent word, "viceroy". OED hyphens all, except the likes of "viceroy".
 * I googled some Filipino websites and found some newspapers don't hyphenates and some universities do. And a government webpage that doesn't. Since this particular spelling isn't formalized, I suppose you're free to choose your own!
 * And apparently, Canadian online newspaper, even within the large Globe and Mail, the use is erratic too, but usually hyphenated. --Menchi 08:31 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

To do
Some questions are unanswered:
 * What is the role of the provincial capital? There are some provinces where the seat of government is located somewhere other than the capital.
 * How does Metro Manila work if it's not divided into provinces and has no governor?
 * How about those chartered cities that act independently of provinces? The article doesn't mention them.
 * History of the provinces... When were they drawn up, and how did they get to their current status?
 * How is it determined what region they belong to? And what difference does it make?

TheCoffee 4 July 2005 07:55 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, though questions. For the fifth, the President under the 1987 constitution has general administration over the local government units. See the preamble of Arroyo's E.O. 36:


 * WHEREAS, Article X, Section 4 of the Constitution provides that the President shall exercise general supervision over local governments;


 * WHEREAS, the administrative regions were established to promote efficiency in the Government accelerate social and economic development and improve public services;


 * But regions, when they were first introduced (mid 1900s I think) were traditionally aligned to ethnolinguistic groups, 12 in all: I - Ilocano, IV -Tagalog, V - Bicolano, VI - Ilonggo, VII - Cebuano, VIII - Waray, etc. Then NCR was formed, then CAR and ARMM, etc.


 * --seav 4 July 2005 16:15 (UTC)

FLCfailed
Just a note to say that this article failed to make it as a featured list mostly for failing to show references under a clear reference section. Please see the link above to the discussion of its candidacy. Not too much work is needed to make this featured, jguk 09:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Ambiguous Provincial Names
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Move new provinces in Lead?
I think we should move the "On xxx, yyy was declared a province by..." to a "Recent changes/additions" section instead of having them in the lead section of the list. Shrumster 09:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Bukidnon del Sur
The then 3rd District Representative (now Senator) Juan Miguel Zubiri proposed the creation of Bukidnon del Sur from the present province of Bukidnon through House Bill 3312 (An Act Creating the Proposed Province of Bukidnon del Sur). I think it should be included in the Formally proposed provinces section of this article. Kleomarlo (talk) 04:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Dinagat Islands
Can someone re-add the province to the map? – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 06:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Invisible peso symbol
In my browser, I am seeing a box instead of a symbol.

The article could use an older symbol; otherwise it should show one of the language notice templates that tells you how to fix the box problem.

Varlaam (talk) 18:37, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The article on the peso itself has the same issue, namely a box symbol and no notice telling you what to do about it. Varlaam (talk)

Most of the history section is a laundry list
I deleted most of the history section because it is just a long list of relatively minor adjustments to Philippine law that are not notable in my opinion (See Notability). For instance, this his article does not need 29+ mentions that the "Provisions of the Provincial Government Act extended to..." the various provinces. In what way are all these acts and dates notable? The data might be used in individual province's articles but not here. User:P199 reverted my changes because "concise history is useful and much of this info is not elsewhere". However, "useful" is not 'notable". Most importantly this is not a concise history.  It is neither a history suitable for an encyclopedia (written in prose with suitable third-party sources with appropriate explanation of the meaning and significance of each notable event) nor is it concise (much is repeated with only a chance of the province}.  Further, the fact that this information is not elsewhere does not argue in favor of it being here.  Why is it notable enough for this specific article?  The information should rather be in an article about the Provincial Government Act or about the individual provinces.  In short, I think that this section violates WP:Laundry_list.  Quote

"For example, in a crime article about a theft from an art gallery, there is no need to itemize every painting or item missing, with size, color and provenance background, even if posted on a crime-events website which repeated details from police reports or an art-gallery press release. Instead, the information should be summarized, by type, counts, artists, and value (etc.)... In general, facts within an article should cross-connect to notable aspects of the topic, rather than be presented as a 'laundry list' of items with little specific impact on the overall topic."

The history section should be a discussion and not a laundry list of dates and minor events. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 14:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with you in principle and I certainly favor a good rewrite. But in an article on the provinces of the Philippines, the dates of creation and major adjustments is pertinent (notability applies to topics, not content; furthermore WP:Laundry_list is an opinion, not WP policy). I also agree that this info should also be at the individual province's articles, but in many cases it is not. So instead of just removing everything and not adding it to the individual articles, it is better to first add the info to individual articles and then rewrite this one. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 15:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The laundry list is of poor quality, I prefer a laundry list to nothing. The current list isn't very descriptive (For an example from the beginning What is the "The Provincial Government Act"? What does it mean to extend its provisions somewhere?), however it does have pertinent info. The creation of new provinces, for example, is, I feel, 'notable'.
 * Given that we all agree it should be summarised, would it be worth splitting that list off into a subarticle, say History of the Philippine Provinces/History of the Provinces of the Philippines/Timeline of the Philippine provinces, and replacing it with a much more concise overview here? (If anyone wants to take on such a task.) CMD (talk) 15:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed provinces
New provinces are proposed all the time in Congress. What's our standard for inclusion? Howard the Duck (talk) 04:39, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

WRONG
Cities and municipalities Main articles: Cities of the Philippines and Municipalities of the Philippines Those classified as either "highly urbanized" or "independent component" cities are independent from the province, as provided for in Section 29 of the Local Government Code of 1991.[2] Although such a city is a self-governing second-level entity, in many cases it is often presented as part of the province in which it is geographically located, or in the case of Zamboanga City, the province it last formed part the congressional representation of.

Zamboanga City never became part of Zamboanga del Sur. The Whole of Zamboanga was once the City of Zamboanga but later on, the De Facto Zaaaamboanga City were only the Terriories of the 7 Pueblos namely: Pueblo de Zamboanga, Pueblo de Tetuan, Pueblo de las Mercedes, Pueblo de Manicahan, Pueblo de Sta. Maria, Pueblo de Vitali, and Pueblo de Ayala, and other Minor Pueblos hat formed the present-day Zamboanga City that became the Capital of Zaamboanga Province.

When Zamboanga City became an Independent City, it became independent from the MOTTHER Zamboannga Province. Later on, Zamboanga Province was divided into two Provinces. In other words, Zamboanga City existence predates the existence of Zamboanga del Norte & Zamboanga del Sur, including the newly created Province of Zamboanga Sibugay.

Anyhow, looking back history, the actual TERRITORY of the former KINGDOM OF NAUAN, were only the today's political Entities: Zamboanga City, Zamboanga Sibugay until the so called "PUNTA FLECHA" and "PUNTA GORDA". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.131.50.252 (talk) 08:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Reading comprehension: Zamboanga City, before it got its own district in Congress, was included in Zamboanga del Sur's lone district until 1972. It doesn't mean Zamboanga City was a part of Zamboanga del Sur. Congressional representation =/ being a part of an LGU politically. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

About indicating its Largest City/Municipality/LGU in every province.
In the article "Provinces of the Philippines", aside from its provincial capital, its largest LGU like largest city/municipality/LGU must be indicated to determine what is the province's larget city or municipality. For example, For example: In Davao del Sur, its provincial capital is Digos City while its largest city is Davao City. 49.146.25.25 (talk) 08:28, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Why must it? It doesn't say much about the provinces. Digos and Davao for example are part of the same metropolitan area, showing them as separate with no context would be somewhat misleading to the casual reader. CMD (talk) 09:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * How about Bukidnon? Its capital is Malaybalay City while its largest city is Valencia City. And also Cebu, its capital and largest city is Cebu City. 49.146.25.25 (talk) 09:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This is so arbitrary. Could you please give a more valid reason as to why we should add these? — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 09:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please look at any articles for the Provinces of the Philippines like Bukidnon, Sarangani, etc. As you could see, there is its capital and its largest city so that you can know it. 49.146.25.25 (talk) 09:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, and then? Why should we add it to the table? — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 10:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * To show it and identify its largest city. 49.146.25.25 (talk) 10:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We could put a lot of things into the table, so we need to be selective. A column which often partially duplicates an existing column is a big ask on this limited space. CMD (talk) 11:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Why limited space? There's still enough space for that. 49.146.25.25 (talk) 11:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Screen width? Even with infinite space, every item you put on a list pulls attention away from other items, so the longer the list the less impactful its contents are. CMD (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

About indicating its Largest City/Municipality/LGU in every Provinces of the Philippines.
User talk:HueMan1, in the article Provinces of the Philippines, why do you revert all of my edits? There is nothing wrong with it. I just identify the largest city in every province. For example, in Davao del Sur, Digos is the capital and the largest city is Davao City and also in Bukidnon, Malaybalay is the capital while Valencia is the largest city. I hope you understand that one. Thank you! 🙂. 180.194.54.28 (talk) 23:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Please see the above section. CMD (talk) 00:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

About indicating its largest city/municipality in every Philippine province which is similar to List of states and territories of the United States.
Why do you always revert my edits about adding largest city/municipality in every Philippine province? There's nothing wrong with it. I just do this so that it would be similar to List of states and territories of the United States, which also has capital and largest city in every state list. 49.146.22.36 (talk) 05:24, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Please stop creating new sections for the same topic. CMD (talk) 08:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I'd prefer showing the largest LGU, than a total number of LGUs. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * By population or by area? As an aside, the table exceeds V2022's width, so something should be removed. I'd suggest density, as it's entirely redundant to the two preceding columns. CMD (talk) 01:20, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In the rest of the world, "largest city" means "largest city by population", but this is the Philippines and we see things such as "Davao City is the largest city" although it isn't in the general definition.... so yes, it's by population. The table has too many columns which are irrelevant, IMO. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)