Talk:Proxy list

TrendMicro
All proxies are blocked by TrendMicro software. There is no point to provide public proxy lists, when companies make money by providing blockers to other companies and governments. And hidden lists cannot be used by the public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.235.142 (talk) 21:44, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Proxy List example
Hi, I'm a user of internet proxies, a software engineer somehow concerned about internet privacy and really committed to sharing knowledge, open source and all this philosophy. I'm new to wikipedia as possible contributor/editor, I'm user of it since the beginnings. I usually visit a website when I need a proxy IP address that I found it through Google but today when I was going to search for it, it doesn't appear in the results, I find the Proxy_list wikipedia article but it's not there neither, then I followed the link to DMOZ and after a while, I find the site that I want! It's a quality site, fast, plain and simple, with a proxy list updated hourly and no advertisers or any spammy content. I think that is going to be an important contribution to the wikipedia Proxy_list article, because that website has exactly that on the homepage, a live HTTP proxy list with working servers and also some explanations and other sorted proxy lists.

I read the Wikipedia guidelines and I think that the link that I want to add is under WP:ELYES, point 3. I can't integrate a proxy list directly to the wikipedia because that IP addresses are not going to work over time and is not going to help to know what is a proxy list. According to the guideline is because the amount of detail and more important, other reason, it's a dynamic list. Regarding the DMOZ link, there are several sites there but a lot of them doesn’t help too much to understand what is a proxy list, moreover several of them have IP addresses that doesn't work and that is counterproductive too. On the other hand, the link that I want to add has exactly a proxy list, with details like country, type and a couple of speed measurements that also contributes on the proxy list subject. An important point is that it has only that(a proxy list), plus some words and explanations about it. Most of the other websites have a lot of things, like VPNs, web proxies(no lists), TOR networks, etc. That other websites and things could be useful for other purposes but not to understand what is a proxy list.

I think that is going to ba a good contribution, it's a stablished website, listed on DMOZ and with a live working example of what is exactly a Proxy List. For me is the best resource when I'm needing a working proxy list.

So, my question is, do you think that is going to be a good contribution?

--Zzenitt (talk) 21:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Any administrator or Wikipedia experienced contributor that can guide me on this?

Originally, I tried to planteate this question without talking about the particular proxy site, trying to obtain a generic answer but now I think that if I show you the site is going to be easy and faster for anybody to understand what I'm talking about.

Zzenitt (talk) 19:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed it again, since it is duplicitive of the dmoz link and also was attempting to sell VPN subscriptions and/or subscriptions to a 'better' proxy list (ELNO #5). Also, are you associated with this site in any way? - MrOllie (talk) 18:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

That web page doesn't sell anything, I think that they promote an affiliate product on the "buy" page, but that is not against any Wikipedia policy. Both of previous links sell something in that pages, one of them sells a proxy book and another sells proxies. Back to the link added, the "buy" paragraph is very small, the web page is not full of advertisers, banners and all that.

I'm not associated in any way with that site, as I already wrote, I usually visit that site and the link that you posted is a pluging that I developed using the proxy IP addresses of that site, nothing else. Zzenitt (talk) 19:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, but why is the support email for the plugin associated with the proxy list site? - MrOllie (talk) 19:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I developed that plugin, a very simple plugin that uses the API that the proxy list website provides to programatically obtain the proxy IP addresses, the support email is for that API. I told to the people of that page that I developed that plugin and they created that email to receive my questions and API related questions. Again, I'm not associated with that site, I develop the plugin using their API, I ask them a couple of questions about how to use it and then I told them that I developed that plugin. By the way, it's a very simple plugin, less than 30 lines of code, because this could be different if it was a very big project, a big plugin that I did it just for fun, that could be strange, but you can easily download the source of the plugin and verify this. Zzenitt (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

After all this, can you evaluate the content of the wikipedia Proxy List article, the external links, and judge if the external link that I added contributes significantly to explain the concept or not? I think that it contributes much more than the other three external links.

Being objetive, second link should be removed (http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Proxying_and_Filtering/Hosted_Proxy_Services/Free/CGI_Proxy/). It has nothing to do with proxy lists, there are six low quality web proxy sites, nothing to do with the "proxy list" concept.

Third and fourth links are as bad as the previous one or worst, one is about web proxies again, nothing to do with HTTP/HTTPS/SOCKS proxy servers. The other is a link that only sells a book about internet censorship subject... come on... and has no content, you can only buy the book or click on links that goes directly to the other website on that line (http://en.flossmanuals.net)...

Please consider this objectively, can you tell me that the link that I added does not contributes much more than all the other external links?

Zzenitt (talk) 21:38, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Flossmanuals are free ebooks produced by the open source community. That site doesn't 'only sell a book', it allows you to download it for free. I think it's pretty clear at this point that you have a connection with the site that you're adding, please do not add it again. Repeated additions may result in a block for your account or even the addition of the link to Wikipedia's spam blacklist, and I'm sure no one wants that to happen. - MrOllie (talk) 13:47, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

And what flossmanuals have to do with proxy lists? nothing! It's totally out of place. I already explain my connection with that site, yes, I have a connection, I also have a connection with Google, with Wikipedia, with a couple of news sites, with Mozilla and with several others.

Don't you see that you're adding spam and counterproductive links to this article? and removing a quality one? I already explain it... here comes again... domz link about CGI proxies is out of place, flossmanuals is much more out of place.

Why you readded that links? and why you deleted the link that I added? Zzenitt (talk) 14:10, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow your argument. The flossmanuals link describes proxies, how to use them, and includes information about proxy lists. It seems to be like it has a great deal to do with proxy lists. - MrOllie (talk) 14:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

The flossmanuals links descrbies web proxies, web proxies are not HTTP/HTTPS/SOCKS proxies, this article is about proxy lists of HTTP/HTTPS/SOCKS proxies. The flossmanuals link, at some point, has a list of web proxies, wrong again, is a completelly different concept. I can't add a TOR proxy sever list here, or a VPN server list here, or a web proxy list, they are different concepts. Web proxies are web applications that works like a proxy, they don't follow HTTP/HTTPS/SOCKS protocols, there are a different thing, you can't use a web proxy like you can use an HTTP/HTTPS/SOCKS. Having a link that talks about web proxies and web proxy lists on this article is confussing the readers.Zzenitt (talk) 14:41, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no particular reason that this article topic should exclude web proxies. I have clarified the article text accordingly. - MrOllie (talk) 16:01, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

It's ridiculous, when you realized that I was right about web proxies and this article is not about them, you change the article to include them! This is obiously not right. But even including web proxies on this article, the flossmanual link is wrong, WP:ELNO point 13. It's worse than indirectly related, one link is about web proxies and barely mentions a web proxy list and the other is about "How To Bypass Internet Censorship", come on, then any article or book that barely mentions a proxy list is acceptable as an external link on proxy list article? I'm not going to read that book now, may be is a good resource, I don't know but I doubt it, but even if it's an excelent book, here on proxy list article is not the right place to put it. Zzenitt (talk) 17:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)