Talk:Prudence Halliwell

Prue's supposed sacrifice
At the end of 3.22 All Hell Breaks Loose, Prue and Piper both are hit by the energy ball that Shax throws. There is nothing intentional in Prue dying, and it is also not Prue who turns time back. Thus, Prue's "actions" (or in this case, inactions) cannot be considered sacrifice to save Piper's life. AdamDobay 23:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wasn't sure of that part either... it was in one of the original articles I was working from, so I figured I'd leave it in for now and assume that somebody else that's seen the episode a lot more recently than I would edit it as appropriate.... (psst... he means you! ;-)) Maelwys 00:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I completely rewrote Prue's death, as accurately and shortly as possible. I focused only on Prue's death, thus intentionally leaving out the information about Paige as that, I think, belongs to a Paige article instead. Could someone please put the links in for eg. Cole and The Source? I do not have the time now to do that. AdamDobay 23:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Tense
I think it looks a lot better in this format by the way, just pointing out, half of it is written in the past tense, and half in present. I think it should all be changed to past tense, since it was in the past, and the character's also dead now, will wait for opinions before doing anything though, plus I have to go to work. If people agree, I'll change it this evening unless someone does it before then Sadisticality 07:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I tried to fix that as I was editing, but it seems I missed it in some places. Go ahead and clean it up to past tense. Maelwys 11:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Just done so, and added a little about how Prue used a spell on Andy, but am not sure when the spell expired, whether it was midnight, or 9pm or something, so if anyone knows that, then change it, or if you deem it irrelevant remove it, just thought the sentence was previously unclear about how she could have done such a thing Sadisticality 18:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * She used a truth spell, expiring 24 hours after recital, which was, if I remember correctly, at 8 o'clock in the evening. The exact time is not important, only the 24 hours, I changed that. AdamDobay 23:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Strongest, best, coolest witch?
I would like to ask for assistance for the sort of additions to the article which mean to emphasize the POV that Prue was the strongest, best witch, the best character on the show, invincible and so on. I would not like to violate the three revert rule but I indeed think that such edits should be reverted. AdamDobay 22:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I concur. I myself have probably reverted the same edit by the same person more than three times, though I really haven't been paying attention. I have since warned this user about making nonconstructive edits to pages.
 * While in many of the transition episodes following Prue's death Piper made statements to the effect that she thought Prue was the strongest, it seems to me that this is more of a device for character development for Piper as she comes into her own and realizes her new role as the oldest sister. LaMenta3 22:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The character dynamics of first three seasons were indeed built around Prue, as at the beginning of the show Shannen Doherty was the only of the three actresses who was widely known. It is no wonder that she was established in the eyes of some as "strongest", possibly because of this, but it quickly becomes something frequently stated by Prue-fans -- even though the powers of the Charmed Ones in the following five seasons, especially the offensive powers of Piper, rise to the point that even upper level demons can be quite easily destroyed. AdamDobay 22:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reported this user to Administrator intervention against vandalism, and I am continuing to monitor the Halliwell articles for further vandalism. — Mi r  a  07:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * But aren't fans accurate in stating Prue was the "strongest", even if only during the first three seasons of Charmed? It has been stated in the show on more than one occassion that the "first-born witch" is the strongest of witch siblings, a case that has been argued with comparisons between Wyatt and Chris. Triple J 2:39, 21 June 2006


 * If you look back in the article's history you will see that these kinds of additions are without an exception unsourced fan statements, mostly full of grammar mistakes, and along the lines of stating that Prue was not only the strongest but also next to invincible. Since these were all over-exaggerations, I think there is no problem with these statements being removed.
 * I think that who is the strongest and who is not is not really a matter of fact in the show. It is true that Prue is the strongest in personality in the first three seasons -- mostly because of the fact that the other two actresses being relatively unknown, Shannen Doherty and her character were given the most emphasis up until season three.
 * As for power it is debatable, what constitutes "strongest"? That is quite a relative category. If we mean attack power, then Prue is strong with her telekinesis but Phoebe with her martial arts skills added to her levitation power (from season three) provides similar strength, not to mention the power Piper acquires at the end of Season 3 -- yes, she cannot use it properly in the beginning, but even from the start she has the power to destroy enemies herself, something Prue is not readily capable of. If, on the other hand, we mean strategic power, then it is Piper who has the most usable power from the start, as she can help the group gain time to think over what to do. Prue TK'ing away the enemy does not always work and only gets the girls a few seconds of time.
 * It also has to be noted that up until season four most of the threats faced by the protagonists are only defeatable via joined efforts of the three sisters. This way, we could say that since all three powers are required to destroy powerful enemies (which is mostly the case in the first few seasons), it is not really of importance who is the strongest. AdamDobay 10:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Regarding the claim that Prue was the most powerful of the three, that is something that both Phoebe and Piper conceded in the episode, "Witch Trial." Piper also said it in the episode "Charmed Again" as an explanation of how Prue and Piper were able to vanquish Shax, which occurred in "All Hell Breaks Loose. "Also, Prue appears to be the strongest in terms of spell casting. Her first spell, cast in "Murphy's Luck" overcame a Darklighter's curse and impressed Phoebe, who is considered the best at writing spells. I don't recall the episode, but the lore surrounding Charmed is that the eldest are generally the strongest.


 * Thus, it is not mere opinion to state that Prue is the strongest witch. This has been bourne out as fact in the series. PatrickLMT 13:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Powers
I added the specifics of her powers, including what her limits probably were as far as weight, a direct line of sight (or a clear idea of the location of the object to be moved)and her apparent inability to move heavier objects in complex patterns, as well as the fact that her abilities were surpassed (at least in some aspects) by her ancestors, like Penny "Grams" Halliwell and Brianna. I also noted the specifics of her astral projection power.PatrickLMT 14:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Revised a sentence added to my previous specifications regarding Prue's powers, and pointing out that they were surpassed by Penny and Brianna. The sentence stated erroneously that Prue only had three year's experience with her powers. Clearly untrue, since "That Seventies Episode" showed that both Prue and Piper could use their powers as pre-schoolers. This addition also stated that Grams and Brianna had "40 or 50" years experience with their powers. Brianna's age (and consequently, her level of experience) when she moved the sword "hundreds of miles" has never been revealed. Please do not revise unless you have the facts to support your claims. PatrickLMT 15:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed a claim that Prue's powers would have definitely surpassed those of Brianna and Grams had she lived longer, citing Prue's demolishing of the attic in Morality Bites as evidence. The amount of energy needed to inflict that kind of damage, impressive though it was, would be far insufficient to move a sword "hundreds of miles." I appreciate the input of Prue fans everywhere, being one myself, but let's stick to objective fact and not wishful thinking. PatrickLMT 08:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Fanlisting
Could I add a fanlisting here? Neptunekh 08:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Fanlistings are prohibited here, unless it is (usually by consensus) considered a major resource on the topic. Please do not add one. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 08:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)