Talk:Psy/Archive 1

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The earnings section makes no sense. $0.0002 per song? At 7.5% that's 0.000015 not 0.00015 as reported in the article. At the reported $61,000 earnings that's over 4 Billion downloads from a country with a population of only 50 million. This needs to be corrected by a person who knows the real figures and is capable of basic arithmetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.200.183 (talk) 05:18, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Psy has been extremely popular ever since his debut. He is not underground, and he is a well loved mainstream artist. — Preceding unsigneddded by 222.155.137.165 (talk) 13:31, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Profile

Real name: Park Jae Sang (박재상) Born: December 31, 1977 Blood type: O Education: Boston University, Berkley College of Music

Biography

PSY (싸이) is a Korean hip hop artist. Although not a mainstream hip hop artist, he is popular underground due to his great sense of humour and his unique concerts (he always imitates the greatest female star of the day (in 2006, it was Lee Hyori). He has appeared on numerous variety programs, including Good Sunday: X-Man and The Golden Fishery.

PSY is unique amongst Korean singers. The most obvious fact being that he received his education in the United States, graduating from both Boston University and Berklee College of Music. He showed off his own sense of style and music in his first album, which also confirmed his creativity. He was fined for this album, the reason that his music promoted inappropriate content for underage listeners. His second album was also banned, amazingly enough for the opposite reason, with people claiming it was inappropriate for listeners over the age of eighteen.

[This isn't correct. He has said in interviews (posted on YouTube) that he did not graduate from either college.]Marzolian (talk) 02:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Discography

Albums

1. PSY From The Psycho World!, 2001 2. Ssa 2 / 싸2 成人用 (성인용), 2002 3. 3마이, 2002 4. 싸집, 2006 5. 싸이파이브 (Psyfive), 2010

Source: http://www.last.fm/music/Psy/+wiki

The above source quotes this wiki article as its only source. Are there no English publications on K-pop to refer to as an actual 3rd party? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.53.221.127 (talk) 06:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * There are. KBS World has very good (though usually short) biographies on singers. See the source I provided for the bio. 小龙 (Timish) # xiǎolóng de xìnxiāng  20:07, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This article needs more reliable sources. I am working on it after seeing a Youtube masshup of this on social media. Let's work on making this article bigger than Pikachu. Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:37, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 August 2012
I would update mentioning of over 43.000.000 views on youtube to over 46.000.000

188.255.145.44 (talk) 14:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like this has already been done (It says 50M views now) RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Where should "Park Jae Sang" point to?
Right now I arrive at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Jae-Sang when I search for Park Jae-Sang, but I figure most people are looking for this guy. Maybe make this the default page, or at least add a disambiguation link here from that page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kangaru99 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Makes sense, there you go Evaders99 (talk) 07:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * On that note, should there be a page for what's essentially the Western order of the name (Jae-Sang Park)? And if so, should it direct to Psy, the baseball player of the same name or a disambiguation page?  Herro    Link   04:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 August 2012
Change over 50 million views to over 55 million views.

Kleinbach (talk) 21:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.. Also, I don't think the page needs to be continually updated as more people view the youtube video.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 december 2012
The top part should be edited, as it currently makes no sense it mentions "A few weeks later, Gangnam Style became the most accessed YouTube video of all time having generated one billion views" and "On December 21, 2012, his music video for Gangnam Style exceeded 1 billion views on YouTube, becoming the first user to ever do so in YouTube's history." I'd say drop the first sentence, between october and december 21st is more then a few weeks. If needed second sentance could be edited to incorperate the " becoming the first user to ever do so in YouTube's history." part — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.142.102.77 (talk) 22:27, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Music awards section incomplete and potentially unnecessary
Psy has won more awards than that for Bird, Champion, Entertainer e.t.c. Back when MBC used to hand out awards on Music Camp. I don't remember how many he got but it's more than just Gangnam Style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.218.178 (talk) 01:27, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, actually on the Inkigayo page Psy is shown to have won awards there too while they still had an award system.  Herro    Link   06:41, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

anglicized name
just wondering if there is any chance Dae-Sung and Jae-Sang are two different anglicizations of the same name in korean? 208.100.189.155 (talk) 08:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No, because the first character used in "jae"(재) is pretty much always read as the letter j (except on some occasions it can be read as ch). That, and "sung" is actually just another way of romanizing "seong"(성).  Herro    Link   09:17, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Article Protection
Wondering if this article can be semi-protected, considering this page is getting vandalized like crazy. (Namely people changing the nationality and origin listings to other things like Japanese and so on.)  Herro    Link   11:13, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Photo of PSY
The photo shouldn't even be there in the first place. It is non-free (taken directly from the video) and not representative of PSY himself. Could someone please remove it from Commons and the pages in other languages? Thanks. Ab;cd;ef (talk) 15:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The video "Gangnam Style" is in the public domain. It is intentionally copyright free. ==== — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.76.79.182 (talk) 16:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request for Psy 's high school name
Please change his high school name from Eva to Sehwa High school. According to referance website(http://people.search.naver.com/search.naver?sm=tab_txc&where=people_profile&ie=utf8&query=싸이&os=158367) ,The school name is "Sehwa(세화)", not "Eva". Seems to be an Google translator error or typo, and I am from the school he graduated from with same class.

Octobersky77 (talk) 01:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Made the change, thanks for pointing that out! :)  dain   talk   02:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 September 2012
Psy is not dead, yet the article states that he has died in 9-11-2012. It hasn't been confirmed anywhere, and many suspect 9gag and 4chan of making up his death.

71.198.109.23 (talk) 09:00, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Where does it say that he's dead?Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:33, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 September 2012
Personal life

he was fined 500 million won ₩[citation needed]. http://article.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.asp?Total_ID=1847533 싸이 `벌금 500만원` 선고 Psy 'Fined 500 million won' Sentenced — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.109.23 (talk • contribs)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:: I am not sure what you want, but you should use when asking. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:28, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * He's providing a reference for his 500m fine but it's all in korean and such. Anyone got a link to an english version :3  dain   talk   15:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request on 12 September 2012. It's 5mil won, NOT 500mil. Reasoning: The article states 500만원. The translation of 만원 is 10,000. Therefore, 500 x 10,000 = 5mil. This roughly translates to $5,000 USD as opposed to $500,000 USD. (Half a million US dollars for possession of marijuana? That'd be silly) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.147.125 (talk) 11:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 September 2012
Psy's correct discography is here http://asianpop.wikia.com/wiki/Psy_discography http://imageshack.us/a/img836/2128/psyhg.png

Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 00:57, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid Wikia is a user-generated wiki, like this one, so it wouldn't be acceptable. A boat   that can float!   (watch me float!)  12:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit
I made it say Gangnam Style is the most liked video on YouTube. Source : http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2012/9/gangnam-style-now-most-liked-video-in-youtube-history-44977/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.40.229 (talk) 04:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Recent page moves (Morning Sunshine, etc.)
(Morning Sunshine moved page Talk:PSY (musician) to Talk:Psy (rapper) over redirect: No CamelCase per WP:MOS.) 04:02, 24 September 2012‎ Morning Sunshine (talk | contribs)‎ m. . (11,812 bytes) (0)
 * Err, so I don't see that in WP:MOS, nor in WP:TITLEFORMAT which seems more relevant. Instead it says,
 * Use lower case, except for proper names: The initial letter of a title is almost always capitalized; subsequent words in a title are not, unless they are part of a proper name, and so would be capitalized in running text; when this is done, the title is simple to link to in other articles: Northwestern University offers more graduate work than a typical liberal arts college. For initial lower case letters, as in eBay, see the technical restrictions page. See also the special rules on capitalization in bird naming. For more guidance, see Naming conventions (capitalization).
 * So...I think the question is whether he is PSY or Psy in the canonical proper form. And I don't know the answer, but I suspect it is the former and the move is wrong? Oh, and p.s., it's not a great idea to call block capitals "camelcase"; usually that means stuff like fooBar, though sometimes it means FooBar (confusing!), but I don't think in any case it would be FOOBAR. So ironically "Psy" is actually one form of camelCase, though I don't really agree with using the word that way. jhawkinson (talk) 04:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * its written as "PSY" on PSY's official Youtube,Twitter and Facebook page. Time Magazine, The Washington Post , ABC News and The New York Times also uses "PSY and not "Psy". Also, he's more than just a rapper he's also a singer-song writer. -A1candidate (talk) 09:08, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In Korean (Hangul) it's clearly written as an abbreviation and not acronym or initialism... Usually all-caps names have been written with initial-caps in Wikipedia. Monni (talk) 09:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think an exception should be made for PSY because all official sources use "PSY". His official website also writes "Ever since his first song, PSY has...", as do most other reliable sources on the internet that i've mentioned earlier. The term "Psy (rapper)" is simply misleading because he does a lot more than rapping -A1candidate (talk) 20:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with A1candidate here, every available sources shows his name as 'PSY', and considering his ever growing popularity, dropping the (rapper) part of his title and just sticking to what is known would be best. Besides he's a song writer and producer to so its best to just keep it too his name. BosleyTree (talk) 20:13, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree on changing the (rapper) part of the article title... We should use the closest available qualifier for disambiguation. Monni (talk) 20:20, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Monni, what do you mean that "it's clearly written as an abbreviation"? An abbreviation for what? Why is it clear? Can you explain for those of us who are not speakers of Korean? jhawkinson (talk) 05:25, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * If you transliterate the Hangul version, it is Ssai... It can be abbreviation of anything starting with Psy... if it were acronym or initialism, the transliteration would match how the individual letters are pronounced in English (for example Pee-es-wae, because there is no "ai" in Hangul). Monni (talk) 09:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Pronounciation
User:BosleyTree and I had this conversation on his talk and since there have been edits to the pronounciation (adding IPA but also removing and changing things), I think it's best to copy it here:
 * (PSY pronounced "sigh"; hey, WP:BEBOLD right?)
 * Undid revision 514054745 by Jhawkinson (talk) From what i've heard in his songs, he calls himself PSY as 'P, S, Y' the sounds of the letters.
 * I am advised that both he and Ellen pronounce it "sigh" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZmkU5Pg1sw. Is this WP:OR? What do you think?jhawkinson (talk) 22:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I will admit, since undoing the edit i have heard on the news people pronouncing it as sigh, but he still goes by PSY himself. But it probably would be best to go with sigh considering what people will be hearing so yeah, you should go with your edit. BosleyTree (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

But then User:Heat_fan1 added IPA and we lost the "individually." I've restored the individually and the non-IPA pronounciations (which are generally more accessible than IPA, consistent with WP:PRON. jhawkinson (talk) 05:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It's more, when i've heard him being talked about on the tv, radio ect, he's called 'sigh', but then when i actually listen to his songs and he refers to himself in several songs with the individual 'P, S, Y' and never as 'sigh'. So i don't know how that works and what counts. BosleyTree (talk) 07:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "sigh" is just close approximation of pronunciation of his stage name (direct transliteration would be "ssai" like I said above). Spelling the individual letters of the English version (of his stage name) in song lyrics might be for emphasis. Monni (talk) 16:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Its the abbreviation for PSYcho, taken from his debut album PSY from the PSYcho World! -A1candidate (talk) 09:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 October 2012
Please change 'Park Ji Yoon' to 'Park Ji-yoon' Please change 'Yoo Hye Yeon' to 'Yoo Hye-yeon' Please change 'Lee Jae-Hoon' to 'Lee Jae-hoon'

It is for following the rules of korean names. Yoodly (talk) 00:55, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅. Teammm   T  M  02:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 October 2012
Mr Editor,

Psy is a very famous rapper. the problem is, that there is no image of psy on the page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psy_(rapper)

it would be good if you add a picture. Thank-you

182.68.253.240 (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Monni (talk) 20:02, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Psy (rapper)
Im wondering if it might be a good idea to change it from Psy (rapper) to Psy (entertainer). "Rapper" could be a misleading term because like many other K-Pop artists including, T.O.P (entertainer), he does a lot more than rapping. I think "entertainer" would summarize his job scope more accurately, in my opinion -A1candidate (talk) 08:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well if nobody has any objections, I guess it shouldnt be wrong to move it to Psy (entertainer), right? -A1candidate (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

So is it "PSY" or "Psy"?
I see both scattered throughout the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.15.52 (talk) 23:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It should be PSY -A1candidate (talk) 06:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * As some have stated above, there is no evidence this anything other than a trademark - WP:MOSTM. Per English conventions, proper names that are capitalized imply an acronym (MIT, NASA, etc). Psy is not an acronym, it stands for the word "Psycho" as stated in his interviews - thus it should be written as Psy. Like other groups such as SISTAR and SHINee, they are written this way on CDs and videos to showcase their trademark. It doesn't mean in formal writing, you should write it this way (ala companies like ROLEX). Writing PSY here and there makes all the writing distracting. There are just as many sources that do not use capital letters - Billboard, KBS, United Nations, Wall Street Journal... and these are just some of the links from the references on this article. Evaders99 (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Its the abbreviation for PSYcho, taken from his debut album PSY from the PSYcho World!. While there are also sources using PSY including Time Magazine, ABC News, The New York Times, and Billboard, which uses PSY in this article, I think most other articles using "Psy" may have spelled it with lowercase because Wikipedia does it. Just like how much of the mainstram media calls him a "rapper" instead of a "singer" just because Wikipedia says so. -A1candidate (talk) 09:07, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I seriously doubt KBS sources itself from Wikipedia. Even if you were to use "PSYcho", it's a trademark which would be written Psycho; it's abbreviated form in English is Psy. There's no precedent in English for a single word being capitalized into letters that isn't an acronym or initialism. There's no difference than other foreign language albums where WP:MOSTM would be preferable, like Love (Mika Nakashima album) being the article title for LØVE or I Spy I Spy as i spy i spy. Evaders99 (talk) 01:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Everywhere I've ever seen it, it's been stylized as PSY. PSY lover 19:24, 7 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6045:CA:D5ED:3272:80D0:5A5 (talk)

This article should be moved back to the normal capitalization "Psy". There are sources that capitalize his name entirely, but there are also sources that don't: the LA Times, The Washington Post, Time, The Huffington Post, ABC News, the New York Daily Times, The Telegraphy, Rolling Stone... I can go on. Note how some of the sources I provided are also some provided by A1candidate, like ABC News and Time. There is no reason to have this article title in all caps. See Talk:DJ Ozma regarding caps, we follow Wikipedia guidelines as they are written, not whether outside sources decide to capitalize letters or not. — ξ xplicit  01:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually Wikipedia's guideline on capitalization for bands and stage names is currently under discussion, I was told here that there's a proposal to allow capitalization of names, band names, etc -A1candidate (talk) 07:26, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request - "mutual" misspelt in Personal Life section
Needs to be "mutual." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.57.29 (talk) 06:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

✅-A1candidate (talk) 07:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 1

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to Psy (entertainer). A1candidate (talk) 23:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Psy (rapper) → Psy (singer) – Im wondering if it might be a good idea to change it from Psy (rapper) to Psy (singer). "Rapper" could be a misleading term because like many other K-Pop artists including, T.O.P (entertainer), he does a lot more than rapping. I think "singer" would summarize his job scope more accurately, in my opinion A1candidate (talk) 19:03, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

If so, shouldn't the RM target be Psy (entertainer)? —  AjaxSmack  19:48, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Entertainer is too general, I think singer is better -A1candidate (talk) 20:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't he most notable for dancing? So not exactly singing or rapping. Kauffner (talk) 12:42, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In that case, lets settle for Entertainer, even if its slightly too general. As long as not misleading. -A1candidate (talk) 23:17, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Discography error
Korea was released two weeks after Gangnam Style (at least on YouTube) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.57.222.60 (talk) 02:38, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Note done Youtube videos only show the release date of the music video, not the single. Maine12329 (talk) 12:04, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 November 2012
His next song will be released next year as a mix of the Korean and English lyrics according to Yang, the CEO of the YG Entertainment.

AmazingSoo (talk) 08:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Sunglasses
I know this may sound trivial, but should PSY wear a pair of sunglasses in his main infobox picture? -A1candidate (talk) 13:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that's the look he's known by, would be nice to find a proper image for that Evaders99 (talk) 09:34, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I think it's better to leave as is. The sunglasses image is ubiquitous (everywhere), and it's nice that it's on Wikipedia that you see what he really looks like.--Aichikawa (talk) 17:27, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 December 2012
In 2002 and 2004 PSY participated in several anti-American military protest rallies in South Korea where he performed highly controversial raps calling for the deaths of American military personnel and their families.

source: http://www.busanhaps.com/article/exclusive-psys-once-passionate-protesting-past photo: http://www.busanhaps.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/psy_protesting_american_military_2002.jpg

Maburme (talk) 23:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: The mainstream media is reporting about this right now, but PSY has yet to respond. Im still wondering how we should add this with a balanced tone without violating Biographies of living persons, but to be fair to PSY, I personally think we should wait and see how PSY is going to defend himself, before adding relevant information to the article. Might be a good idea to wait until he talks about this incident in some future interview -A1candidate (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: Since PSY has now responded, I've added the relevant information. ✅ -A1candidate (talk) 23:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Filmography?
The articles for Mong Jung Gi and Mong Jung Gi 2 have external links to imdb that do not corroborate with this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by C lawnmower (talk • contribs) 07:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 December 2012
Hello,

I am doing a public blog over PSY for one of my classes,

and one of our assignments is to edit the wiki page over the topic that we are doing.

These are the changes I would like to implement if possible:

PSY’s wiki

Wiki Assignment: brainstorm what to change over PSY’s wiki page

•	Add partner(s) to background info, his wife: Yoo Hye-yeon

•	Add this reference to his wife: http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/12436/20120812/psy-talks-about-his-wife.htm

•	Add children to background info: 2 (twins)

•	Add wall street journal interview to 1996-00 Arrival in the United States and career beginnings: “I rarely went to school. At that time, I seriously doubted that you could learn creativity in school. Music isn't something you can just learn from other people. Sometimes I regret missing classes. In hindsight, though, I became more creative because of the years of rebellion. I started out as a hip-hop musician and listened to Eminem and Tupac a lot. I love their music, especially their lyrics.”

•	Reference to interview: http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2012/08/09/psy-reveals-all-about-%E2%80%98gangnam-style%E2%80%99/

Missmiao emac (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done - Partners and Children can't be added to background info due to the nature of Template:Infobox musical artist. They are already included in personal life. About the interview, that information is already included in the section. I don't think we need a long quote in an already long biography. Vacation nine 06:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Controversy
Is there really a need to display the full lyrics of PSY's controversial song? I noticed I just got reverted for summarizing a bit of the song's lyrics. I know Wikipedia isn't censored and everything but the lyrics are already provided in the reference. And I really dont think its suitable (nor necessary) to incorporate the entire lyrics into the controversy section -A1candidate (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This comment is not much your former edition. You added Psy's full comment. And your another abbreviation editon don't get across the lyrics. Your abbreviation sentences mislead views to read American have also tortured Iraqi famillies.--Syngmung (talk) 03:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You never explained why you feel that the lyrics are unsuitable for inclusion? If you know that Wikipedia isn't censored, then why would you try to censor it?  The actualy lyrics are important so people will get their impact.  No one clicks on the reference links.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.153.83 (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Among other reasons, there's still uncertainty as to whether the lyrics have been translated correctly. According to the Washington Post, the lyrics by CNN's user-submitted translation (which is re-copied here) wasn't translated correctly after all. There is no consensus (yet) as to which version of the lyrics is correct, but the one quoted in this Wikipedia article was "based on shoddy translation". If you want to include the lyrics then at least make sure you translate it correctly -A1candidate (talk) 22:56, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

conscription edit request
52th army division changed to 52nd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.116.147 (talk) 12:32, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for pointing that out -A1candidate (talk) 13:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization
The title should be Psy (entertainer) as was agreed to in the move discussion above. All-caps reduce to conventional capitalization, per WP:ALLCAPS. Washington Post gives "Psy", as does Christian Science Monitor. Kauffner (talk) 16:28, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.  No further edits should be made to this discussion.

PSY (entertainer) → Psy (rapper) – Per WP:NCDAB and Category:South Korean rappers. See also discussion at Talk:Fergie (singer), it seems to make sense to have this at the same time. The RM above was thinly populated. "rapper Psy" gets 13,900 results in Google News [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=%22entertainer+psy%22&oq=%22entertainer+psy%22&gs_l=news-cc.3...610.4929.0.6016.19.12.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac.1. "entertainer Psy" gets 8x results in Google News]. There'll be a few misreads in that, but the disparity is clear. I'm concerned we're pushing a neologism. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:54, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * cf. another example at Talk:Pitbull (entertainer) with no support for "entertainer Pitbull" in GNews or GBooks whatsoever. WP:NCDAB isn't massively helpful beyond saying "The word or phrase in parentheses should be: the generic class (avoiding proper nouns, as much as possible) that includes the topic, as in Mercury (element), Seal (mammal);" but is better than no guidance at all I guess. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: If PSY redirects here, why do we need parenthetical disambiguation at all? bobrayner (talk) 14:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Bob. Good question, PSY does but Psy doesn't. If folk can live with capital PSY then that'd be an option. PSY, Psy (singer), PSY (singer), PSY (rapper), Psy (rapper), anything would be better supported by print sources than "(entertainer)" In ictu oculi (talk) 14:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Support I share IIO's concern about the "entertainer" disambiguator, which sounds artificial, if nothing else. I understand the desire for another term when a person is equally known as a singer and actor, for example, but I don't think that's as common as we pretend. (Madonna (entertainer), for example, is best known as a singer.) --BDD (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. For both precision and capitalization purposes. — ξ xplicit  01:23, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. This RM was put in minutes after I requested that this title be restored to Psy (entertainer), per the preceding RM and WP:ALLCAPS. IIO has been doing a lot of this lately, follow me around edit-by-edit and making odd proposals to counter whatever I am doing. I notice "PSY" is given as first choice. Perhaps Fergie can be FERGIE. Don't laugh. It's not as silly adding the word "city" to end of town names. Kauffner (talk) 01:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Huh? It looks like you two are in agreement this time, unless you feel strongly about the (entertainer) qualifier. --BDD (talk) 18:17, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - As much as I'd like this to stand in defiance of the poorly-intentioned MOSCAPS, most sources use Psy        over PSY  . Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support capitalization change, oppose moving to "(rapper)". He's regarded—even in this article lead—as primarily a singer, so it should be "(singer)", or at least "(entertainer)". Trinitresque (talk) 05:59, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support primarily for the capitalization change per WP:MOSTM and common English preference - Psy is neither an acronym nor an initialism and should not be written in caps. Korean marketing may not prefer it this way, but at least most English readers understand the difference of capitalization rules. No preference on the disambiguation Evaders99 (talk) 20:38, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support: Should be in line with other articles (and also because the exception for personal names only extends to lower casing and not ALL CAPS).— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 22:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose the move to "Psy (rapper)". Support the move to either "Psy (entertainer)" or "Psy (singer)". -Kai445 (talk) 22:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Explanation of S.Korean rate for music downloads + reasons behind stage name
Could we explain these in the article? Would go towards making it a "Good article":)--Aichikawa (talk) 17:31, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 December 2012
I think it was 2002 when PSY was arrested, not 2001.

Roundblock1901 (talk) 14:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Reference 81 mentions a a 2001 marijuana bust. Why do you think this is wrong? Edgepedia (talk) 17:05, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Name changing while there's an open move???
Why is this article being renamed while there's an open move request? -- 70.24.248.246 (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

2 Legit 2 Quit (Hammer vs MC Hammer)
If anyone cares, for what it's worth, it should technically be Hammer not MC Hammer when mentioning him at the American Music Awards (which is missing in this article but present in the G.S. song article) and Dick Clark's New Years Eve event (in the intro of this article) since he was billed as Hammer (as seen during the performance on TV as well) and because he was Hammer (and now is again when performing the mashup) during his 2 Legit 2 Quit album after dropping MC. Just for technical reasons, maybe someone should/could change that. Hammer for example. Thanks! :) Happy new year... 99.129.112.89 (talk) 07:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC) P.S. It's also how Seacrest addressed him after the performance during the interview portion. 99.129.112.89 (talk) 07:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 January 2013
Lilaznking321 (talk) 04:54, 19 January 2013 (UTC) Under Reported Earnings it states " In total, AP estimated that Psy ill rake in at least US $8.1 million in 2012." it should state Psy will*
 * ✅, thanks for pointing that out -A1candidate (talk) 07:10, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request On 23 February 2013
First time I have checked this page in a long time and I see they are many mistakes. As I am no longer able to edit the page myself. I have summarised the key points below.

Firstly the track list for "Remake & Mix 18 Beon" is incorrect, many of the songs Korean titles have been mistranslated to English. I would add also the album was banned due to vulgarisms in several songs. On closer inspection almost all the song titles in all his albums have been mistranslated or translated too literally and makes no sense in the English language. It would be better if the Korean song titles are kept Korean.

From memory he did not appear in the first Wet Dreams movie.

Gangnam Style was released in January 2012 not July, also Yoo Jae-Seok originally featured in it but was removed on the album version.

He was signed to YG Entertainment much earlier than 2010, I think it was about 2004.

The article states he is worldwide known for Gangnam Style, however in different countries he is known for many different songs most of all Right Now which country by country is his most well known worldwide song.

PSY has a huge production discography which is totally ignored in the article.

They are about 5 music video appearances I can think of which are not mentioned most of them are YG Entertainment music videos by artists like Perry and Jinusean.

Due to the contracts at YG Entertainment PSY would not have earned any royalties from his YG released songs.

I would also like added his anti-Chinese songs rather than concentrate on the anti-American ones which are seen as parodies rather than anything sincere.

Also it would be nice to see a section about his famous CF's and the Psycho fan club which was one of the biggest idol fan clubs in Asia before being forced to disband in 2010. Finally for a long time his name was pronounced as Psy and over the years became 싸이 (pronounced sah-ee) and then back to PSY and increasingly P.S.Y.

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:630:301:5222:6163:BFB0:1B44:26DE (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to edit the article accordingly, but do you have any sources to support these statements? -A1candidate (talk) 15:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

2002-2004: PSY Protests The US
Let's leave tbe lyrics in to show what an anti-American so called, artist he is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.74.4.171 (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

According to the media reports, PSY took part in protests against the U.S. military in 2002 and again in 2004. During the first protest, in response to the acquittal of American soldiers whose military vehicle killed two 13-year-old Korean girls, PSY smashed a model of a U.S. military tank on stage, the reports said.

But it’s the news of the second performance, in 2004, that may make Americans reconsider their adoration of the K-pop star. A Korean Christian missionary had been beheaded by Islamic extremists in Iraq, and anger in South Korea soon turned to the United States and its presence in Iraq. That’s when PSY reportedly covered a song by the South Korean metal band N.E.X.T. that contained the following (translated) lyrics:

Kill those (expletive)Yankees who have been torturing Iraqi captives Kill those (expletive)Yankees who ordered them to torture Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers Kill them all slowly and painfully — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.129.73 (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * There are a few issues with this. The first is that this is already mentioned in the controversies section of the article.  The second, this breaks PoV in several ways.  To quote, "...that may make Americans reconsider their adoration of the K-pop star," "PSY Protests The US," and the actual lyrics to the song which are already summed up in the section that was previously mentioned.  Third, there seems to be no reason to add this into the section anyways, except for maybe a small note in the 2001-02 and 2003-2009 sections of the article, which I would suggest as being a potentially better idea with a link to the controversies section within it.  (Just as a reminder, do not forget to sign your posts to the talk page.)  204.106.251.214 (talk) 23:49, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be noted that at the time this song was sung, PSY was a member of the South Korean military. He wasn't just singing as a private citizen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.153.83 (talk) 22:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 3

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Psy (entertainer) → Psy – Proposing move of this page to Psy, and the move of the disambiguation page to Psy (disambiguation). It seems pretty clear that by whatever measure you use - notability, importance in music history, internet history, popular culture - the South Korean singer is clearly the primary topic. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Support - I'm going to agree, clearly out of the list on the disambiguation page, Psy is the most known about.BosleyTree (talk) 23:03, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Presumably this should apply to Category:Psy (entertainer) songs and Category:Psy (entertainer) album if not to Category:Psy (entertainer) itself. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Googling gives you page after page of results about the Gangnam style dude. Kauffner (talk) 01:30, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - welcome any move that gets rid of neologism "(entertainer)" In ictu oculi (talk) 17:31, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad we agree on the underlying issue (that's two agreements in a row, with "Mission burrito"). A question, though - how is "entertainer" a neologism? Dohn joe (talk) 19:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * When "entertainer" is used of someone who is not an entertainer but merely a singer, then it is a neologism. The word has been stretched in recent pop usage - perhaps through awareness that many rappers cannot actually sing? But in any case it's a neologism in this usage. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:47, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought the definition of "entertainer" included singers. See this dictionary search for "entertainer": "a singer, comedian, dancer, reciter, or the like, especially a professional one." Wouldn't Psy qualify? What's your definition? Dohn joe (talk) 01:42, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Psy is not an entertainer, entertainer means someone who entertains. Psy sings, he is a singer. Yes singers come under the umbrella of entertainers. In any case Google Book sources show this usage is a neologism. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * How exactly do Google Book sources show that "entertainer=singer" or vice-versa is a neologism? That usage has been established for well over a century at least. Dohn joe (talk) 17:20, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not quite a "neologism" but I think I get the intent of the use of that word here. While a singer is a type of entertainer, it would be very unusual indeed for anyone to describe someone who is in as specific a profession as "singer" with the generic "entertainer". So, we might say to someone: "there will be "entertainers at the gala, including dancers and jugglers and the singer, Psy", but if we were talking about a single singer specifically, we would never normally say "the entertainer, Psy will be there." To that extent then, it feels odd to use it as a parenthetical disambiguator.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:08, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not quite a "neologism" but I think I get the intent of the use of that word here. While a singer is a type of entertainer, it would be very unusual indeed for anyone to describe someone who is in as specific a profession as "singer" with the generic "entertainer". So, we might say to someone: "there will be "entertainers at the gala, including dancers and jugglers and the singer, Psy", but if we were talking about a single singer specifically, we would never normally say "the entertainer, Psy will be there." To that extent then, it feels odd to use it as a parenthetical disambiguator.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:08, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Support. Seems to be the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Psy". Dohn joe (talk) 19:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I think the only reason not to do this is because, obviously, the prefix "psy" is part of a lot of important words. But naturally, "psy itself means the ... umm... artist. Red Slash 01:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - I came to this talk page to propose precisely this. This is the only page titled "Psy", everything else is handled through the dab page. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  17:31, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - I've been wondering why this hasn't already been done. ハロー  ☆  リンク  -Hello Link- 11:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose at this time. If I see "PSY", sure, I think of the Gangam Style dude.  But "Psy" to me still connotes either psychedelia or several of the meanings of psi.  Powers T 14:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Can someone remove...
...or at least fix the grammar of the out-dated sentence at the end of the opening block of text? GMRE (talk) 17:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ...ditto. "on 13 April 2013" ~ needs capitalization. GreaseballNYC (talk)
 * Just noting that the requested edit was made. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  18:09, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

WHAT?!
I can't believe there is a uncensored obscenity on this page! Someone should censor it since it is incredibly inappropriate72.53.147.104 (talk) 00:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC).


 * My guess is your talking about his song lyrics as reported by CNN. Fyi Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED Evaders99 (talk) 06:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 July 2013
Please change x to y because I'd would like to edit on Psy and I would love to contribute to Wikipedia.

Melonlover1616 (talk) 20:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC) K-pop sensation PSY is releasing a new album in September, his agency told TenAsia Monday. The famed pop star is working on his new album set for a release in September, an official with his agency YG Entertainment. Psy said that this will be his first American album. Psy himself confirmed that he is getting ready to record and release his follow up to "Gentleman" and it will be just in time for the summer.


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. -- TOW  talk   19:03, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

PSY vs Psy
So I see we're back to Psy. It's been back-and-forth between PSY and Psy. Can we please just leave it!? It affects other articles that connect to it. THANK YOU! P.s. Not sure what the outcome was or why it was changed back AGAIN as prior talk page topics are apparently archived. 74.62.92.20 (talk) 05:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2014
91.73.250.94 (talk) 17:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC) Fu...

If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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Psy is no longer the only person to hit 1 billion views
Can someone please remove the part about him being the only person ever to reach 1 billion views on Youtube as Justin Bieber's "Baby" also achieved this landmark.

"On October 23, 2012, Psy met UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon at the United Nations Headquarters where Ban expressed his desire to work with the singer because of his "unlimited global reach".[4] On December 21, 2012, his music video for "Gangnam Style" exceeded 1 billion views on YouTube, becoming the first and currently only video to do so in the website's history.[5][6] Psy was subsequently recognized by the media as the "King of YouTube"." — Preceding unsigned comment added by BaronOfDaricus (talk • contribs) 03:58, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Banned vs Restricted Sales
This article mentions in multiple places some of PSY's songs being "banned". This is misleading, as sales of those songs were restricted to adults. If a movie in the US was rated R or X, would we refer to it as being "banned"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.51.185.32 (talk) 10:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Unlike the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family which assigned the ban to it, our MPAA is NOT a government agency and can't actually ban jack squat. They can only request theaters or stores to restrict sales to adults, on those products the they decide are not appropriate for kids and teens. While most chains and businesses agree to follow their ratings, there is no legal requirement for them to do so. Any theater or store, can sell a ticket or DVD to a child, for a product with an R rating - and the same for music or games with with M or Adult Only ratings, because the ESRB is also not a government agency. And when states have tried to enact laws, requiring retailers to follow the ratings of groups like the MPAA and ESRB, they were declared unconstitutional, as most any kind of entertainment is considered protected freedom of expression, under the First Amendment.


 * I don't get the impression that is the case with the Ministry's rulings - they are a government agency, and it would appear there are legal consequences, if a South Korean retailer ignored the ban. CleverTitania (talk) 05:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Yale Book Reference
The opening mention to the yale book is odd and really out of context in describing Psy, and comes off as promoting the yale book. I recommend removing it. Maybe someplace else in the article - MAYBE - but definitely not in the opening section. Reference: "The song's refrain "Oppan Gangnam Style" was entered into The Yale Book of Quotations as one of the most famous quotations of 2012." 2601:0:A480:32C:CAA:88F4:DB5E:75BF (talk) 05:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

2 Billion Views
Unless I missed it, this artical doesn't say that "Gangnam Style" was the first to reach 2 billion views. Where should we put it. It happened on May 31st. Buscus 3 (talk) 19:57, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

2 billionth of "Gangnam Style"
Albanian, viewer 2 billionth of "Gangnam Style" In the Telegraph editorial came an e-mail from Neziri Adriatic, an Albanian who was so excited that there were two billionth man who has watched this video. " I am very excited by this fact, I am the seer 2 billion of this video . I made a screen print to show that is true, " he wrote in the e- mail Adriatic Neziri , who claims to be the viewer 's 2 billionth of historical videos of YouTube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.99.32.240 (talk) 21:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2014
46.99.32.240 (talk) 21:24, 1 June 2014 (UTC) Albanian, seer 2 billionth of "Gangnam Style"

Albanians are keen to be part of extraordinary events, not only in the country but also in the world, confirms the fact that an Albanian has watched two billionth time most clicked video in YouTube history, "Gangnam Style ". The song "Gangnam Style" sung by PSY has reached 2 billion clicks, and this has made the rounds of the world.

But, of course, in these reports is putting a question mark over who could be the 2 billionth viewer of this clip.

In the Telegraph editorial came an e-mail from Neziri Adriatic, an Albanian who was so excited that there were two billionth man who has watched this video, that has forgotten the show comes from and how old it is,

How would that be, he shows quite accidentally watched the video. " I am the 2 billionth man who has gone this video . Even before I heard this song in the disco, or at weddings , but never in my computer , because I do not like it. "

" I heard yesterday from friends that the song " Gangnam Style " is ready to make the 2 billion views . I said go home and watch the video ... is sought in YouTubve and suddenly came 1999999999 and when I clicked 2 billion . Once hailed strong at home as much as told me what happened ( scared ) . I am one of 2 billion who watched the video, I told the family , who told me that this is nothing . "

" I am very excited by this fact, I am the seer 2 billion of this video . I made a screen print to show that is true, " he wrote in the e- mail Adriatic Neziri , who claims to be the viewer 's 2 billionth of historical videos of YouTube.

Not yet known exactly if Neziri Adriatic, but the picture that he has offered as evidence seems quite reliable. He is a lucky man, but sin that will not get any reward from Psy , who deems this report will certainly do that.

" Gangam Style " broke all world records last year becoming the video with the most clicks on YouTube and became an international hit, due to the distinctive clip.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NQ (talk) 21:48, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2014
At the bottom of the "3. Legacy" section, please add: At the peak of Psy's popularity, in October 2012, Billboard began including Youtube streaming counts in their formula for calculating rankings in order to be more accurate. Gangnam Style's worldwide phenomenon was not well represented on Billboard charts before this change because Psy had no radio campaign in the US that would allow him to climb the Billboard charts through radio plays. This change gave an advantage to pop artists, whose genre is best represented in a video format, making it easier for K-Pop artists and independent pop artists with no radio campaign to rank on the Billboard chart.

Ec2929 (talk) 03:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The second source is some person's blog. They appear to have captured some source which might be reliable and they have links to sources which light be reliable, but the source itself would not meet the criteria for a reliable source. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

2013–present error

The last line is currently wrong. The date should be December 21, 2012, not December 21, 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamaustin (talk • contribs) 15:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2015
This is partially inappropriate so please delete the page.

PSJH1612112 (talk) 02:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Requests to delete a page should be done at WP:AFD. Also, we do not delete pages for being inappropriate, per WP:NOTCENSORED. --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  02:51, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Do you know psy real life her all of his story of her life do you know. Kim hyuna young (talk) 10:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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Translating "Oppan Gangnam Style"
Based on my knowledge of Chinese as well as online references on Korean, I think "This guy is Gangnam Style" is the most accurate English translation; "big brother" as a term of familiar respect is not used in English, and the more general tone is of Psy referring to himself in the third person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Power~enwiki (talk • contribs) 08:03, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Requesting Edit be made
Hi,

I was wondering if an edit could be added to the end of "unexpected international breakthrough". The information came from an article from EBSCO Host. I copied the edit I wanted to add down below.

"The breakthrough that Psy managed to accomplish on YouTube was not only a huge accomplishment for him, but it was also an accomplishment for the KPop community. Gangnam Style was able to bring awareness to the music genre, internationally, to other people that may not have been aware of it and contributed to the Hallyu Wave.[1]"

Ju, Hyejung; Lee, Soobum (2015). "The Korean Wave and Asian Americans: the ethnic meanings of transnational Korean pop culture in the USA". Journal of Media & Cultural Studies. 29: 323–338. doi:10.1080/10304312.2014.986059 – via EBSCO Host.

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