Talk:Psychedelia

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Shouldn't this just redirect to Hallucinogenic drug? Lukobe

Not really. Psychedelic experiences are possible through other means than drugs -- sleep deprivation for instance. Of course the current extremely poor stub does not make this clear. -- Derek Ross

However, this stub appears to be an attempt at writing on psychedelic drugs, not psychedelic experiences. At any rate, the first sentence looks like a dictionary definition and should probably be zapped --LUKOBE
 * There is already an article for psychedelic experience. This page is a sort of disambiguation page to all the other psychedelic articles, and there's no reason to zap the first sentence. --Thoric 19:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I find the definition quite missplaced. The greek word "psyche" doesn't signifie "mind" at all, but a form of specter, wich is known to have drawn it's origins from the Ancient Greek belief in an Underword (Erebus). It is only the "psyche" of the dying man that gains acces into this underworld. Yet,it has no power of will or regret. It's a meer image of the former beign. More information about this in Erwin Rhode's "PSYCHE"

Hey, user above, you can't spell. YAAY! Shouldn't the picture be a little more appropriate? I think the woman in the picture is not intended for a website like this, because this isn't like Urban Dictionary (Although I don't want to compare, either.), and I wish to help keep it that way, although it does give a good description of the definiton. What do you people think? --71.245.125.18 02:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually "Ψυχή" (Pseche)In Greek means "soul", not mind...

Surely the word Psychedelic is sufficiently well-established such that it doesn't need the fairly pejorative label of "neologism"? A discussion of the etymology of a word is valid but "neologism" seems to be plastered indiscriminately across wikipedia. C.L.

As we can't seem to hit upon a concise definition, then I would not assume the term to be well established; "Psyche" denotes mind or soul, depending on one's perspective and possibly education, while "delos" is more towards revealing, rather than manifesting; thus mind/soul revealing. What's so hard about that?Jace1 (talk) 19:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

This article is wrong.
...in that it presents a very narrow, superficial and stereotyped notion of what psychedelic means, mainly surrounding the art of the 60s. Those items may be more correct for an article titled 'Psychedelia' and I would propose doing that. Psychedelic should refer more to the psycedelic experience, and this is far far broader than a few facts and quotes from the 60s. - AbstractClass (talk) 00:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Rename?
I think the article should be renamed, psychedelic is an adverb and I haven't seen any other article with an adverb as the name (I think renaming the article to Psychedelia is more appropriate and keeps the consistency in article names). —Saltywood (talk) 22:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. The problem is that someone named Doktor Who keeps redirecting psychedelia to psychedelic music, which is just wrong.  I'll make the first attempt to fix this and we can go from there. Viriditas (talk) 14:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Doktor Who is a longterm serious problem editor. He has admitted to being on medication for a paranoid psychiatric condition. This periodically manifests itself in the form of raving, largely incoherent paranoid abuse directed at other editors - followed by explosive departure from WP, a long period of inactivity - and then eventual return when he thinks he can get away with it. He also has a very long history of multiple sockpuppet abuse and single-purpose editing. It appears he has recently become active again, and accordingly should be closely watched. --Gene_poole (talk) 14:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Any progress regarding the title change? --—Saltywood (talk) 20:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Reboot the discussion over on the project page. Viriditas (talk) 23:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, "psychedelic" is a adjective (indicated by the -ic ending) that is often used as an adverb and noun. I don't think it should be renamed. The discussion is far from complete. Perhaps Saltywood could be satisfied by starting other articles, and letting this one continue to find itself (?)Jace1 (talk) 19:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Aldous Huxley
When was Aldous Huxley a proponent of drugs?! As far as I'm aware he never said they were a good thing or a bad thing. In "Brave New World" the use of soma is to CONTROL the higher orders, to stop them using their free-thinking abilities and questionning the core elite. Soma is used in the context of a BAD thing, something that removes freedom. Not "Hey, wouldn't it be great, if like, we could have drugs that are just all around, and the government can control us?". I suggest we change the article to state (in an unbiased way) that Aldous Huxley's literature suggested a manner in which the drugs could be used, whether for bad or worse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 22:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * (laughter.) you're right about the satire in brave new world, but the fact is that his novel island reveals another view about drugs. my recommended reading to you though, for your own edification, would be "moksha" (post-death publication of huxley's views on psychedelics and the visionary experience. Twipley (talk) 07:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

"Island" is absolutely wonderful! To read Island is to know Huxley.Jace1 (talk) 19:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone know greek? The word origins given for psychedelic are incorrect.
The second part actually comes from dêloô and it means "reveal." Osmond, the originator of the term makes that clear in this interview around 9:25. I'd change it myself but I wouldn't know want to mess up the greek symbols.

Also, shouldn't we incorporate the rhyme he invented when he invented the term? TheGoodLocust (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

MMT
No, not a drug. magical mystery tour album cover image removed, as its a nonfree image. link to article remains, as does the sentence describing the cover.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 11:02, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect image
There is an imaged titled "A Mandelbrot animation, which imitates the hallucinogenic imagery caused by LSD use". That's not at all what it looks like. It's hard to depict what it actually looks like but that image is plain wrong and misleading. I looked at the source and that site doesn't even mention that image, it just says it causes hallucinations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.250.165 (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A fair point. I removed it. Thanks for bringing this here.--  SabreBD  (talk ) 23:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

'Some' modern usage
In the phrase "To what some consider pejorative meanings of other synonyms" in the 'Modern usage' entry, someone's added a [who?]. I don't think it's necessary, this is a correct usage of the indefinite. I seriously doubt that there will be a group definition in this case, it's the Titanic principle, I know some people died on the Titanic, but I don't know who they were. --Deke42 (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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re: 'prominence' of Hapshash & the Coloured Coat
I have removed the citation notice which questioned the prominence of Hpashash & the Coloured Coat on the London scene - IMHO their prominence in London and internationally at the time is abundantly self-evident from their list of clients - which included Paul McCartney and Guinness heir Tara Browne. Dunks (talk) 03:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Alexander (and Anne) Shulgin
The unsung hero of psychedelics. He set up his own lab and was a tested the psychedelics on himself first using metric in his notebook and he laid out the chemical synthesis in TiHKAL (Typtaminesm, eg DMT/Psilocybin) and PiHKAL (eg MDMA/Mescaline). He was later stripped off his DEA license for allowing informing published to the people about how psychedelics are synthesised. Shulgin got a psychologist was the person who popularised the psychological properties of MDMA. He introduced it to a psychologist who used it in talk therapy who introduced it to other psychologists (NB: I presume was before the War on Drugs). Now, since since the cost of PTSD is so high, and the popular mood has changed, MDMA is being trialled. I have a signed poster from Shulgin for his introduction of MDMA to psychedelics and psychopharmacology with talk therapy and the synthesis amd discovery and synthesis and publication of hundreds of 100s of psychedelic drugs plus whole new classes of psychedelics. Now all I need is a signed copt of Hofmsn for the synthesis of LSD and the isolation `of the active alkaloids in magic mushrooms etc.

To quote the introduction of the Wikipedia article "due in part to Shulgin's extensive work in the field of psychedelic research and the rational drug design of psychedelic drugs, he has since been dubbed the "godfather of psychedelics.

If you go to Wikipedia Entheogen page and go history you get Ancient Times to 1500-Present. "There now exist many synthetic drugs with similar psychoactive properties, many derived from the aforementioned plants. Many pure active compounds with psychoactive properties have been isolated from these respective organisms and chemically synthesized, including mescaline, psilocybin, DMT, salvinorin A, ibogaine, ergine, and muscimol.

Semi-synthetic (e.g., LSD) and synthetic drugs (e.g., DPT and 2C-B used by the Sangoma) have also been developed. Alexander Shulgin developed hundreds of entheogens in PiHKAL and TiHKAL. Most of the drugs in PiHKAL are synthetic." — Preceding unsigned comment added by RalphNuclei (talk • contribs) 12:49, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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