Talk:Psychedelic music

Inclusion of reggae and dub
I can't help but feel like under the realm of 'psychedelic' music, dub should be included on the list. I've always thought of it as a psychedelic complement to reggae, with it's use of echo and other production techniques to create a spacier, more 'trippy' sound. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.88.106.156 (talk) 16:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation page
Should this really be a disambiguation page? It seems like Psychedelic music should have an article about, which links to the other forms of psychadelic music within the article. I'm sure lots of people would like to know about psychedelic music in general, not just a subset. --Daniel Olsen 05:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It probably shouldn't be a disambiguation page as it doesn't really fit in with your normal dag pages. This page should really be an article that is a synopsis of the different forms of psychedelic music with links to the main articles. --Mattarata 16:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What is psychedelic music? I created this disambiguation because in rock communities "psychedelic music" refer to psychedelic rock, in trance communities it refers to psychedelic trance etc.
 * Unless you are suggesting to write an article about the influence of psychedelic rock on modern music (and I think this could fit as a paragraph at psychedelic rock) I can't see how there could be an article that decribe the connection between psychedelic pop and acid punk, for example. Psychomelodic 08:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Psychedelic rock should be moved to psychedelic music, with psychedelic folk, psychedelic soul and psychedelic pop merged in. They really aren't separate genres: they all originated about the same time and share the same defining characteristics; those other pages only exist because 'rock' doesn't adequately describe the genre as a whole.  --Alcuin 23:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say to write a short intro (maybe adapted from psychedelic rock) and then a short paragraph on each subgenre with a link to each daughter article. --Daniel Olsen 17:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and make it an article. Dekimasu 09:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree - it should be an article. Which is proabably why so many pages link to it! - Superbfc 11:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. Main article with sections (and sub-articles). &mdash;  Ed Gl  03:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on an idea that could be a good basis for a complete rewrite of at least the 'Background' section. Currently It's a 7000 word time-line (1964 - 2000), which could be broken down into: 60's; 70's; (acid) punk (aka. crusty) and acid house eras. I can't improve on neo-psych as I don't know enough about it. The 60's time-line is more or less complete and would provide a useful structure for links. I'd suggest putting the 60's timeline on this page along with disambiguation links to related pages and other eras / sub-genres at the top and bottom. What do you think? I'm happy to just get on and do it. --Tim Hall 16:27 14 Nov 2007 OK, Going for it. --Tim Hall 23:23 23 Jan 2008

Musicology
As I am going to post elsewhere, we've added one more article to the large set of useless garbage. It seems that most of editors can't understand the difference between words meaning /referring to a musical scene or an artistic movement, and words/terms dealing with stylistic features, the latter being the only ones that can properly define a music genre. This is due to the fact that books available on such topics are usually written not by independent researchers, but by journalists or djs .--Dr. Who 16:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I mean: more enciclopedic tone.:p--Doktor Who 02:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, movements and circles produce styles, so the distinction seems rather pedantic. jkolak 3/11/2008 I agree with Doktor Who. Psychedelia isn't just about the music, it's an entire movement and stylistic feature. And 'jkolak', what are you talking about?? thats unrelated.

Psytrance
What about psychedelic trance groups like infected mushroom and astral projection?

dragonsofeden 02:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

artists associated with psychedelic music? Thom Yorke?
Is Thom Yorke associated with psychedelic music? I've never heard or read that he is or has been influenced by psychedelic music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.23.47 (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Though Thom Yorke and Radiohead are known for experimenting with psychedelic styles in some songs the majority of their catalog would fall more under alternative or progressive rock. The key difference is that psychedelic music in the traditional sense is more random (see Pink Floyd's debut Piper at the Gates Of Dawn) compared to the more arranged and dense progressive rock (see Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon). Though the latter does often contain elements of psychedelic music it is not purely psychedelic.
 * Saviorofbroken (talk) 22:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Beatles
Many of their songs (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Strawberry Fields Forever, Tomorrow Never Knows, Across the Universe, I am the Walrus) are some of psychedelia's most known. Beatles' support to the psychedelic movement is arguably of great importance, so it's imprecise to say they are merely associated to psychedelia.

Proposed deletion of "Psychedelic artists" section
This section attracts passing edits - people wanting to list their favourite bands of the 60s-70s (sometimes with little discernable link to psychedelia unless it is just that the bassist once wore a pair of loon pants); others wanting to throw in their own band of the moment. Does this add anything to the article? Either a band should appear in the text or not at all. Proposal: delete the list. Opinions? AllyD (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

This section needs some cleaning up (Pink Floyd appears twice, for instance), but I don't think it needs to be deleted entirely. 24.140.73.43 (talk) 03:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of "Other artists associated with psychedelia" section
This section is worse than the "Psychedelic artists" section, not even purporting to be more than semi-detached to the article subject. Proposal: delete the list. Opinions? AllyD (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

You are right on this section, several of the groups listed have very little to support their inclusion, Led Zeppelin being one on the list that comes to mind. 24.140.73.43 (talk) 03:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The Syn
There's been a wave of editing activity around The Syn and Steve Nardelli, including a certain amount of dispute. Some 'third parties' with expertise in psychedelic music would be valuable if anyone would like to come on over. Bondegezou (talk) 17:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Pink elephants on parade as psychedelic music
Doesn't the lyrics and style of that song may be considered psychedelic music? The song appears on the film Dumbo, from 1941, 20 years before than the first psychedelic songs according to this article. I did not changed the article, because I do not have sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.52.215.30 (talk) 17:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Psychedelic music can occur in almost every genre of music
''"Psychedelic music can occur in almost every genre of music, including classical Western art music." ''

Examples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.254.248.91 (talk) 03:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Clean up
This page clearly has a lot of problems, as just about every post indicates. I will undertake a clean up in the near future. The plan is to provide sourced summaries of the major articles on psychedelic music (rock, pop, rave etc). The genre infobox should go as this is not a genre, but a blanket term. If you have any further suggestions this would be a good time to post them.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 09:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

This now done. Sorry it took so long but it was a hard task. There are still some areas that could use a little more expansion by someone who is an expert, particularly relevant forms of electronic music, but at least they are now in here.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 09:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Reviving Neo-psychedelia
Please see the discussion at Talk:Neo-psychedelia. The summary here would remain (largely) unaffected.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 09:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Why is this article not rated?
I only found this article today and I find it excellent. I checked the talk page to see if was a Good Article or nominated for Good Article, only to discover it's not rated at all! It doesn't even seem to be included in any WikiProject. The involved editors would know best which project it should be in, so I won't rush in and do anything, but I think it ought to be rated by some project ASAP, and serious consideration given to going for GA. Scolaire (talk) 13:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for that (for the bits for which I can take credit). I have toyed with the idea of putting this in for GA for a while. I expect there would be some tidying up and updating to do before it could pass and prompted by this perhaps I will get back to this. I guess its not rated because it doesn't fit into one genre project.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 14:26, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Psychedelic drugs
Question at: Talk:Psychedelic_rock regarding association between drugs and music.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  22:06, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Illustration
Only just noticed this is was up for GA, so, good luck well done! One point hit me in the eyes. Is Abraxas a good or typical example of psychedelic music? I know the sleeve is a good example of psychedelic art, but the article isn't about that. Just a thought. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It is a fair point. The image was inherited from a much earlier version of the article, but I kept it because most of the available copyright free images are black and white and it provides a rare bit of deep colour. I am very open to any alternative suggestions, but a good, relvant image is not easy to find.--  SabreBD  (talk ) 07:02, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * True, but this album does not contain pschedelic music (irrespective of the cover), and Santana was never really known for it, as fantastic as he is. Something like The Beatles' Revolver, or Sgt. Pepper, or Airplane's Surrealistic, etc., might be more representative, if rights allow. Many of the most influential early psychedelic albums did not have patently psychedelic covers. Just thoughts...Learner001 (talk) 18:53, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Can this cover be surpassed? (Or for that matter, the arrogance of its back sleeve programme to remake humanity on a blend of LSD and General semantics.) A slightly dark/subdued image of it though. AllyD (talk) 07:12, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I propose replacing the Santana cover with this file: DisraeliGears.jpg. Discussion?Learner001 (talk) 15:16, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I have the same query as I had about the Santana sleeve. The album cover may be good psychedelic art - but is Cream's music really typical psychedelic music?  This article is about the music, not the album covers.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be also to get away from a copyright image if possible and going to another album cover probably doesn't solve that part of the problem.--  SabreBD  (talk ) 17:17, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Psychedelic & Counterculture
To SabreBD: Looks like you've done a lot of great work on this article! I don't believe there's any question about the connection between the emergence of psychedelic music and the counterculture. I'll appropriately cite if/when I attempt to include in the future. Hopefully it will be much more expansive and clearer to all. Best wishes!Learner001 (talk) 17:11, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Psychedelic Hip Hop
As I revised the section Psychedelic Hip Hop, I found out that hardly no references are presented to support those long, rambling, excessive lists of different artist names that are claimed to fall under this certain category of "psychedelic hip hop". Actually, no decent description about what psychedelic hip hop even is, is given.

Most of those artists mentioned do have absolutely nothing to do with psychedelic music. Just long, misleading lists are given.

In order to publish a section concerning "psychedelic hip hop", serious revisions are needed to be made. Therefore I removed the whole section until something reliable is given to support those things claimed. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 23:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


 * It was sourced in the citation at the end of the section and was good enough to pass a GA review, as you can see if you follow what is above. It is a good idea not remove sourced information without getting consensus first. If you come up with some alternative sources then we can discuss them here.--  SabreBD  (talk ) 01:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


 * So please tell us here, which part of your so called source supports such rambling listings? Please discuss it here and present some evidence before making any further changes. Thanks. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 23:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


 * All of it. I am reverting it under WP:BRD. If it for you to present evidence if you want to make changes to sourced material.--  SabreBD  (talk ) 23:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I am questioning your source material. So please provide the exact passages in order to support your entries. According to my investigations, they are none. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 01:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * So you are arguing now that the book is not a reliable source? If that is so please take your case to the Reliable sources/Noticeboard, until then you have no good reason for deleting sourced material. If you have evidence that what is said in the relevant section does not reflect the source, then by all means point it out. If you have alternative sources that present a different picture, then by all mean identify them here so that we can incorporate them. However, until you present some alternative evidence you have no case for deleting reliably sourced material from an article just because you do not like it.--  SabreBD  (talk ) 11:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Beatles
Beatles is irrilevant to the developement of psychedelic music. They just followed the trend. Why doesn't the article give so much space to the Beatles instead of more important bands like Pink Floyd, Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Red Krayola, 13th Floor Elevators, Silver Apples, Velvet Underground and so on? --2.234.228.28 (talk) 15:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to be more specific about what changes you think should be made. To me, it does not look as though the Beatles' role is overemphasised in this article.   Whether the VU can be described as "psychedelic" is, however, extremely debatable.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:09, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * PS:... and you must not remove referenced text without getting agreement from other editors on this page. So, stop it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Beatles evolved their sound and lyrics and structures to the trend already started by other artists. They are in no way innovators of the genre (e.g Johnny Watson used feedback in 1953, Lennon himself knew he wasn't the first to use it, as he said in an interview to Playboy in 1980). This page says that they introduced this elements to mainstream audience which may be relevant for the psychedelic pop section, but they didn't anything that other psychedelic rockers didn't before them. I think this page should talk less about them and more about musicians that are more important for this genre --2.234.228.28 (talk) 16:16, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I think there's a profound misunderstanding here. Many people point to Mr. Tambourine Man as supposedly "the first ever psychedelic song in the world", when that Byrds song was only a derivation of the style of jangle pop which The Beatles themselves had been using since at least the A Hard Day's Night album released in July 1964 (and arguably, in an earlier, more archaic form already on some of their songs from With The Beatles released in November 1963). In fact, The Byrds have gone on record numerous times that with their own 1965 song they simply tried to get as close to the AHDN sound as possible and Mr. Tambourine Man was only a derivative offshoot of that. After Mr. Tambourine Man was released in March 1965, many bands started picking up on particularly this aspect of The Beatles which in turn has been dubbed "early psychedelia" when in fact it was still largely Beatle-y jangle pop and jangle folk in the AHDN, Beatles For Sale, and Help! style that everybody was doing for most of 1965. It took until Rubber Soul for *ACTUAL* psychedelia, originated by The Beatles, to arrive on the scene in December, as much as Rubber Soul and Revolver were still strongly indebted to the band's earlier jangle pop period.


 * Rubber Soul was released more than a year before Pink Floyd ever first walked into a recording studio, and according to Mason 2005, p. 49., Floyd were still doing pretty much exclusively R&B up until late 1966. The Doors didn't turn psychedelic in sound until their stay at the London Fog during the spring of 1966 at the very earliest. Jefferson Airplane couldn't even be called a skilled live band until very late in 1965, they were still largely doing Otis Reding-influenced soul and R&B with a growing folk and folk rock influence for most of 1966 and their debut album Jefferson Airplane Takes Off released in September 1966, almost a year after Rubber Soul. Red Krayola didn't even form up until "sometime in 1966" and didn't release anything up until summer 1967. The 13th Floor Elevators didn't form until the very month in which Rubber Soul was released, and even though their debut album included the word Psychedelic in the title, it was only released 11 months after Rubber Soul. The Silver Apples only formed as late as 1967 as The Overland Stage Electric Band and still needed pretty much another year to even just sort out their name and line-up. The Velvet Underground may have been founded as The Warlocks as early as 1964, but according to David Fricke, they mainly played "Olde English folk" up until the spring of 1966 when they re-recorded three of their early songs in a more experimental style. Quicksilver Messenger Service only formed on Christmas 1965, took up until summer 1967 to work out their line-up, and up until early summer 1968 to ever actually release anything. Love formed in spring 1965, but played garage and proto-punk at least up until early 1966. Country Joe & The Fish played fully acoustic old-fashioned Wood Guthrie-style folk up until June 1966. The Peanut Butter Conspiracy didn't form up until nine months after Rubber Soul and didn't sign a record deal until very late in 1966.


 * Oh, and as for the feedback on I feel fine (which was never psychedelic per se), John didn't acknowledge anybody. According to Sheff 2000, p. 173, he literally said towards the end of his life, "I defy anybody to find a record – unless it's some old blues record in 1922 – that uses feedback that way."


 * So, bottom line: Psychedelic music didn't start up until Rubber Soul, everything before that was nothing but either jangle pop (and purely acoustic folk, or folk rock at best) largely popularized by The Beatles since at least 1964's AHDN and partly already on 1963's With The Beatles, and much of what many people seem to confuse for "early inventors of psychedelia long before The Beatles" actually only started to develop months and years after Rubber Soul. The only serious contender to Ruber Soul as originator of truly psychedelic music that has been identified is Heart Full of Soul, released by The Yardbirds in the summer of 1965, but a.) MacDonald argues that it's really just an offshoot of the sound from Ticket to Ride released in April, and b.) in the case of the Yardbirds song mainly was simply an R'n'B song with a fuzz guitar and a harpsichord. --2003:EF:13C6:DC63:4AD:29C9:41CD:AAF7 (talk) 13:27, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Beach Boys
Most of the Beatles' information doesn't need to be removed, but some details would do better in footnotes. What about the Beach Boys? There's plenty of information to be copy and pasted from the articles Pet Sounds and "Good Vibrations". In discussions of psychedelic music, the two bands should be spoken in the same breath, being the first artists to have high-charting psyche songs. A couple sources here to get started: --Ilovetopaint (talk) 22:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject proposal
If interested, please offer support for a WikiProject focused on psychedelic music.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 01:47, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Genre info box?
Hello. I am wondering if Psychedelic Music should have an "info box" like the ones used for other genres (ie. Hip Hop) with a section dedicated to it's cultural origins, it's stylistic origins (electronic, experimental etc) and it's derivative forms. It may seem like a needless idea but I am just curious...

Drug Bias
Hello, I see that the overview paragraph for this article only references one book from 2007. If there is only one source connecting drug use to the genre that’s strong enough to be part of the summary then I’m not sure it’s reasonable to include that point in the summary.

I prefer this definition:


 * “Psychedelic music celebrates and explores the capabilities of the human brain.”

although I don’t have sources ready to include here yet. I’m not caught up on the references used for this article (there are 79 today), can someone summarize or point to the most important sources so I can read them?

My view is the current article starts with unnecessary bias, the association with drugs should be secondary to the description of musical intention; the topic of drug use influencing music in the genre should be a subsection if included.

--TextApps (talk) 17:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * It would be more biased to downplay the fact that psychedelic music is inspired by psychedelic drugs. But I agree that the article could use a big rewrite. It's too rambley and should be focused on the music's cultural origins and its stylistic traits. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 17:28, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. I need to read the references before adding more discussion here. This other article was featured recently which arranges the references differently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_American_Karakoram_expedition_to_K2
 * While there are 99 citations, there are only 7 actual works which are listed under a separate heading and referred to by the citations. I think listing the references this way for Psychedelic music would help me and others verify the content of the article. I’ll rearrange the references this way eventually if there’s no disagreement here.
 * --TextApps (talk) 16:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Psychedelic music
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