Talk:Psychedelic music/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll give this a go. I'll spend the next day or two reading through the article and its references thoroughly, and list comments as i go.

General


 * No disambig links and no dead URLs

Lead


 * The punctuation on the first sentence looks a bit confusing. Do you mean to say "Psychedelic music (sometimes known as psychedelia, derived from etc)?


 * Is http://www.myetymology.com/ a reliable source?
 * ✅ The etymology was unnecessary anyway.--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll come back to the rest of the lead later

Characteristics


 * Is there a specific reason why the information in this section is a list and not prose?
 * ✅ Not really. I changed it to prose.--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "and they profoundly influenced the thinking of the new generation of youth". I'd prefer to attribute this to a particular author. While we might look back and think the 60s was a time of revolutionary new thinking, outside of Haight-Ashbury and Swinging London it wasn't really at all.... I mean look how much commercial success Ken Dodd had in the 60s!
 * ✅ I attributed it, which hopefully makes the conditionality clearer. Any references to hippies, particularly in the UK should point out the relatively small numbers and limited class base, but I we are prisoners of our sources. Even so I think Ken Dodd had a different demographic.--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Psychedelic folk


 * I think the picture of Donovan would sit better than one of the Grateful Dead - for all his pop / rock crossover success, he started out as basically Dylan-influenced folk artist (as indeed the relevant paragraph states)
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "backward tapes" - should this read "backwards tapes"?
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Might be worth mentioning the specific instruments that John Fahey used - the Allmusic source mentions flute and sitar
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Psychedelic rock


 * As far as the Beatles' influence goes, I think Tomorrow Never Knows is worth a mention
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 20:04, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Is psychedelicsight.com a reliable source? The citation is also tagged with "clarification needed"
 * ✅ No I don't think it is.--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think Traffic were really part of the UK underground. They formed after Pink Floyd and Soft Machine and spent the early part of their career holed up in a cottage in Berkshire. Tomorrow might be a better choice here, though not as commercially successful, they were part of the underground scene and spawned Keith West and Steve Howe.


 * "The same year saw the débuts" ... what is "débuts" referring to here exactly?
 * ✅ Albums.--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure the picture of Steve Winwood is not from 1969 - his hair looks nothing like the footage for Blind Faith's gig that June, and I don't think Traffic gigged at all that year.
 * ✅ I think you are right, the 1969 tag was inherited, so I removed it.


 * "apogee" seems a bit unnecessary - why not just say "peak"?
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 20:04, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Regarding the Beatles' releases, "definitive" and "controversial" are loaded terms? Definitive and controversial according to whom?
 * ✅ the source, but I removed them.--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Worth mentioning that not only was Their Satanic Majesties Request overly psychedelic, it was the only time the Stones ever went near this sort of style
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "Pink Floyd produced what is usually seen as their best psychedelic work" - "usually seen" to whom?
 * ✅ I believe this was in the source, but I removed it anyway.--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "Jimi Hendrix" should read "Hendrix" per WP:LASTNAME
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure The Who were ever psychedelic. Several sources stated that Keith Moon in particularly hated hippies.
 * I can see for miles, was one of their few forays - as the source indicates.--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * In terms of development from straightforward R&B to psychedelia, the Small Faces are worth mentioning - phasing on Itchycoo Park, blatant drug references on Here Come The Nice, Ogden's Nut Gone Flake.
 * No argument on the overall significance of the Faces, but they were a little late as pioneers and this part is a summary of Psychedelic rock. I added a bit more about them there, but it complicates the chronology a bit here. Unless you insist I would rather leave them out of this summary.--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Psychedelic pop


 * The Barrett era Floyd fits more into psychedelic pop, at least partially through their recorded output
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Decline


 * "and their deaths were closely followed that of" doesn't seem to make gramattical sense
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if Abbey Road is best described as a "raw style"
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Might be worth mentioning Kevin Ayers in the list of "psychedelic-influenced and whimsical strand of British folk"?
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 09:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

More later... Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)   11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Influence


 * I think Krautrock is one word
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Are Popol Vuh really that influential in synth development?
 * ✅ I dont think so. The wider Krautrock bands were probably more significant and are a more obvious link with the psychedelic.--  SabreBD  (talk) 08:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The Allmusic source cited stated that psychedelic influences played a part in creating bubblegum pop, but all the source says is comparing Sagittarius as being "not as bubblegum" as The Lemon Pipers
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Neo-psychedelia


 * I wonder if it's worth giving Julian Cope a bit more of a mention here, as outside the Teardrop Explodes he's kept the psychedelic flag flying with his solo work - of which the cover of Fried is a great example
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 15:58, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Psychedelic electronic music


 * The lead part of this section is only one sentence. To use appropriate summary style, you probably want to grab a bit more from Rave music to pass GA status
 * ✅ I deleted that bit. There is no requirement to have a section lead and it wasn't really adding much.--  SabreBD  (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I think there can be a case for adding something about psychedelic hip-hop, such as 3 Feet High and Rising ("Transmitting Live from Mars" sounds pretty psychedelic to me)
 * ✅ Although I may have to come back to this if I find more sources, at least the basics are here.--  SabreBD  (talk) 19:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Audio


 * File:Flanging effect.ogg has got a "check categories" notice on it
 * ✅--  SabreBD  (talk) 15:58, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Stability


 * has made a substantial contribution to this article, and you reverted him a few times. I don't think there's any long term stability issues, but I'm interested to know what was going on here?
 * Only two reverts I think and one of them was partial. Mainly formatting issues and some unsourced statements. Nothing really major.--  SabreBD  (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think that's it. No real major show-stopping issues, so I'm putting this on hold for now. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)   11:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that is all the issues addressed. Over to you.--  SabreBD  (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note - I haven't forgotten about this, but my time on WP has been a bit limited this week - I'm looking at closing this down in the next couple of days. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   06:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for any delay, but I think all the issues are accounted for, so it's a pass. Well done. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   15:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for all the effort.--  SabreBD  (talk) 16:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)