Talk:Psychic vampire/Archive 1

Names of creatures
Each such creature would have a name in each culture. Knowing the names might give us a clue to how much of this is real folklore, and whether any is is ersatz. Wetman 09:36, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * They might have different names in different cultures but I'm quite familiar with this phenomenon. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:37, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * (Uh-oh, just as I feared. Check the use history of User:Daniel C. Boyer. Notice that no actual name of a "psychic vampire" is offered for any culture. Isn't this entry bogus? Wetman 06:06, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * What on earth are you getting at with "use history of User:Daniel C. Boyer"? What are you even talking about?  --Daniel C. Boyer 17:31, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

VFD
Psychic vampire survived vfd. See: Votes for deletion/Psychic vampire -- Wile E. Heresiarch 15:46, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

House Kheperu
I would point to the House Kheperu website, and The Psychic Vampire Codex (ISBN 1578633214), written by Michelle Belanger as good starting points to fill in this stub. Thanks for reading.

Stub replaced
The stub was replaced with the following text. Besides being POV, most of it is about people thinking they are sanguinarian vampires, and the vampire subculture as a whole, not specifically psychic vampirism. I put it here, so anybody who cars can incorporate it into the main Artice Vampire as far as appropriate. Lady Tenar 15:15, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that article recommended below is absolutely unaccepatble as a starting point or actually any part of the solid research into the suggested subject, because it's just unacceptable to brag about abilities to desruct other people's lives on the sheer grounds of "nature". I think that serious personal imbalances lead people to become "psy-vampires". I think that vampire's manifesto is unacceptable as a part of material on phenomenon. Information should be unbaised, if to speak about any serious approach. I hope that Wikipedia would not serve as an engine for vampire proliferation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherrylanes (talk • contribs) 00:55, 27 June 2006


 * Indeed, theres no such thing as a real vampire, to use such a term is misleading.. as well as to outright say what psychic vampires is and is not, especially without sources, its just biased POV that serves no purpose, not even to have any solid understanding of the concept, its just babble. The closest real vampires refers is a mental condition, in which one believes to be a vampire. Real vampire could also mislead people into thinking that people out there, have some sort of biological need to drink blood or feed on so called "life forces". Which is by all definitions false, no human being can safely digest large amount of blood without have harmful effects, and there is no such thing as "life forces", blood is the life force of living things, and so is protein, but invisible unknown forces don't exist, if they did exist their could be a way to analyze them (and thus do a scientific study). As well as those who say "if you feel someone elses emotions, thats a psychic gift" no its not, its empathy, understanding what someone feels, and thus by doing so can inspire the same emotion in you, very natural, nothing supernatural about it (empathy is directly linked to our eyes, and what we see, not psychic at all). Some people believe that the psychic ability or "third eye" is somehow linked to the Pineal gland (in out brain). That this could be the source of psychic abilities, there is no proof psychics exist let alone a explanation for why its possible. The connection between the Pineal gland and psychic ability is an assumed one carried over from the eighteenth century when it was found to be in a position similar to that of the supposed `third eye'. Once again this has been refuted, no person has yet proved that they have any psychic ability, when guessing what a person is thinking is purely guessing, and everyone has the same chance of guessing it right. This article should contain mythology on the subject as well as a short bit about modern day interpretations of the mythology (all containing citation of course). But remember everyone that this is just legend and its interesting but not to be taken to heart or to seriously, as that can lead to misunderstands. And we need a bit more then whats in the article currently, theres no mention of how feeding on anothers life force allows to feel the emotion that the person is feeling, which is basically a primitive explanation of empathy, I think theres a book on this. The Unbeholden (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have a first hand knowledge of how it feels being under an attack of psy-vampire or whatever you may choose to call them. I have to say that it's absolutely awful and damaging experience, to say the least. I have to admit that there should be some original "bond" or connection and I also suspect that there is a certain mechanism behind phenomenon of psy-vampirism that allows vampires to "drag/suck" energy from the others. I wonder as to what that might be... I think that the article(s) on the subject might prove immensely useful to many, who seek to "get rid of" personal vampire (s). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherrylanes (talk • contribs) 00:37, 27 June 2006

Version of article
(h2)overview The word vampire is concieved in two major ways; the first refers to the fictitious vampire, and the second refers to a complex idea that can be primitively defined as a real vampire. This article will address those who believe themselves to be real vampires. It will also take liberty in defining and explaining Sanguinarian vampires, the sub-categories of psychic vampires (or psy-vamps), and vampyre lifestylers. Because the concept of real vampires is a controversial and generally unaccepted topic, much of this article will explain theories. I would also like to point out that many denounce the use of the term vampire because of the widespread misconception. This article should be read with an open mind.

(h2)Sanguinarian vampires Sanguinarian vampires only have one common trait, which is the need for blood. This is used to define what constitutes a Sanguinarian vampire. Other traits will be discussed in the following subsections.

(h3)feeding and the thirst Sanguinarian vampires all meet one criterion; the physical craving for blood. This phenomenon is referred to using many different names, such as the thirst, the hunger, or the need. Blood-drinking is most commonly referred to as feeding. Some vampires may choose to feed from other self-proclaimed vampires, or from consenting non-vampires (humans, donors, prey). In rare cases, vampires will feed from animals. It is considered unethical in the vampire community to feed from an unwilling human. Usually, vampires will use a sharp knife or lancet to draw blood from a donor. Biting is discouraged because it is not hygenic and is very painful. It is recommended that vampires and donors have their blood tested to prevent the spread of diseases such as AIDS, STDs, and other blood-borne diseases. If a vampire neglects feeding, he can experience one of two things. The first is referred to as the beast. This is a very dangerous stage in which a vampire can lose sanity. He will become violent and destructive, may become more apt to taking blood forcefully, or may even develop a sexual desire to take blood from victims. It is fear of the beast that often encourages vampires to feed. The second is a period characterised by withdrawal-like symptoms, moodiness, stomach aches, extra sensitivity to light, headaches, muscle aches, and depression.

(h4)auto-vampirism In aggravated cases of the thirst, a vampire may practice auto-vampirism. Many theories exist concerning auto-vampirism (feeding on oneself). Some believe that to feed on oneself is a contradiction of terms; this theory is based around the belief that feeding on the blood of another replenishes life-energy (aura, pranic energy). The energy consumed is the energy lost, so to feed on oneself may only make the thirst more aggravated due to exposure to blood (twoofing, or vamping out; this refers to desire a vampire experiences when tempted by blood). Others believe that to feed upon oneself is mediocre in quality compared to feeding on others, but does stifle the need for blood.

(h3)extrasensory abilities Aside from this single criterion, other criteria include extrasensory abilities. These can include extended senses of sight or sound. Some Sanguinarian vampires believe they have abnormal strength, abnormal resistance to disease, and other such superior abililties. In the mental realm, Sanguinarian vampires may believe they can read others' thoughts (telepathy), feels others' emotions (empathy), or move objects in the physical realm through the mind (telekinesis). These are some of the most common abilities Sanguinarian vampires believe themselves to possess.

(h3)practices Sanguinarian vampires either seek communities or practice alone. While most choose to feed, others choose to deal with the symptoms of the thirst. In a community, members are often initiated (turned). It is believed that a vampire is either born with vampiric qualities, or else he is turned. Some believe that turning consists of blood transfusion between the born-vampire (pure-blood) and the turn. Other theories are not as distinct. Pure-bloods generally consider themselves superior to turns. However, there is no theory that attempts to confirm the existence of pure-bloods and turns.

(h3)theories explaining Sanguinarian vampirism The foremost theory explaining Sanguinarian vampirism states that the need to consume blood comes from a lack of pranic energy (life-energy). Those who believe this theory often consider themselves nothing more than humans with an energy imbalance, but have adopted the name vampire. This lack of life energy could be due to the specific person's physical makeup, the lack of sunlight, the lack of personal interaction on a social level, or the lack of connection to a greater force (often nature). As an analogy, this leaves a vampire empty, cold, and often on the brink of insanity. Prolonged exposure to these symptoms is what manifests the beast. This leaves a vampire with a need to replenish his life energy, and it is said that Sanguinarians do this through consuming blood. Other sources of pranic energy include fresh fruits and vegetables, semen, and the breath of living animals. Admittedly, some people believe themselves to be sub-human, the vampires featured in fictional tales and folklore. However, there seems to be no widespread theory explaining this belief.

(h2)psychic vampirism Before begginning, it is important to note that this is a very controversial, yet complex topic, and once again, should be read with an open mind. Those who call themselves psychic vampires (psy-vamps) can share characteristics of Sanguinarians or can be detatched from every popular conception of a vampire. The single criterion that defines psychic vampirism is the need to consume some type of energy. As with Sanguinarian vampires, psychic vampires believe themselves to have a lack of pranic energy. In this type of vampire, lack of sunlight is more likely to cause energetic imbalances than in sanguinarians.

Responses to new space
Im really pleased there is the space for unverified material, opinions are still educational, even re energy vampires of which I know a few and all help is welcome! (unsigned, but by User:81.151.99.238)
 * Actually, no, there is no space for unverified material and opinions are not really educational. See the Verifiability policy. This article is a mess, and everything that isn't supported by sources and facts needs to be taken out. At this rate most of the article will be gone. DreamGuy 16:59, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * If this is the case, the whole article should be deleted; The mere existance of "Energy Vampires" can in no way, shape, or form be verified, and in certain groups it is alleged (rightly wrongly or indirfrently) that "energy vampires" are just a form of mind control. 65.102.43.164 (talk) 18:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)A REDDSON
 * This article needs to be cleaned up, but it's a reasonably encyclopedic subject that recurs repeatedly in various cultures, such as the Japanese obakeneko. References to folklore and legends are more appropriately described as "sourced" rather than "verified" and should be interpreted in that context. Some of the external links are highly dubious. Zigamorph 17:10 UTC October 3, 2005
 * Unverified material and opinions/beliefs are present on EVERY page relating/referring to all religious topics. Clearly the verifiability policy is lax at best in these areas.  Ron Pinz 16:13 UTC October 31, 2005
 * Not so. Please see Verifiability for how the term is used in this context. DreamGuy 22:49, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Can we find where the term "Psychic Vampire" originated from? and can we change the link from "Energy Vampire" to "Psychic Vampires", which is the more commonly used phrase? The cultural signifigance of mythological creatures that feed off energy is irrelevent. Psychic Vampires have had their Chakra damaged or removed, or altered, (depending on who you ask) which has resulted in them being incapable of producing their own energy, how this is done, can we find that out? Luciferous Luna 17:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * All "Pshychic vampires" are "energy vampires" but not the other way around so this is a catch all for both. Most of the above discussion is pretty old and refers to a version of the article that existsted before I cleaned it up and removed the inappropritate material. NeoFreak 17:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

African emotional vampire sentence removal

 * i removed a sentence about "the emotional vampire idea is more common in africa etc". i usually dont like to simply delete a sentence but this needs a source. if someone can try to present the thought in a more specific way go for it... Spencerk 21:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Less literal meaning?...
I've often heard the term used when there wasn't neccesarilly any supernatrual powers implied. People can be emotional/psychological "vampires" such that when you interact with them they leave you feeling totally worn out and drained! Quite common, in my experience, with people who have depression, manic d, and other mental illness, who take advantage of other people's compassion and get off on dragging them down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.155.56.171 (talk • contribs) 27. September 2005
 * Added a section on 'emotional vampires.'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raveled (talk • contribs) 07:15, 12 October 2005

Hello I believe I know how energy vampires operate. I have been reading emotional intelligence. This books states if a dominant person has a certain mood this can be transferred to the other person I believe that this may be partly an evolutionary hangup used before the speaking brain came into being for the purpose of communicating our mood to others. When our mood is communicated to others in this way they become aware of changes and possible threats in the external environment. This change in perception due to the other person probably owes something in part to the unconciously mimicing of the dominant persons body language. In the case of a depressed person the individual having a disscussion with them will tune into unconcious cues and receive the feeling from the depressed person in turn the depressed person will on some level receive some of the energy from their interaction with the other person. This leaves the depressed person feeling slightly more elated and the non-depressed individual drained. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.149.252 (talk • contribs) 0:13, 28 October 2005

People who are emotional vampires do not necessarily do it conciously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.149.25 (talk • contribs) 20:19, 28 October 2005


 * In the name of Isaac Newton, I banish thee. I am amazed this article has not been deleted.   Tempshill 06:23, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I've also heard this term used in a less literal way, not only to describe situations as per the top of this section, but also to describe people who like to dwell on or dig into the problems or vulnerabilities of others. They often appear sympathetic or come in the guise of problem solvers, but they actually wallow in other people's misery, and seem to get their victims more stuck in the problems rather than solving or salving them. Maybe they should be called schadenfreude vampires ;-). --Anchoress 08:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Fact pass
I called it folklore and added several "allegedly"s to try and make it clear that this is a very badly sourced article. "Numerous" cultures? Really? Which ones? The only named culture that has this concept is the Hopi, and the stated source for that is Powaqaatsi, which is as New Agey as they come. Cite sources please when adding to this article! And be specific! Tempshill 06:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Folklore
"Psychic vampire" is a modern term used by new agers. It has not historical value and must not be linked to anything else. If you want to make an article about the notion of psychic vampires in the beliefs of the church of Satan and the "new age" movement, then yes it's alright. But the current article has no value at all. In more down to earth terms, a psychic vampire is just someone who wants attention (like a depressed person) but doesn't want to improve so they waste the other person's real energy and time. It's more of a slang word thant something special. Bragador 23:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Although it is fairly late to comment for any real conversation, the historical usage of the word alone does not diminish the potential phenomena. Homosexuality, for example, is a fairly modern word to explain a condition of life that appears to have always existed.  Just because the Greeks, Romans, Vedic Indians (etc) didn't use such specific wording doesn't mean the concept is a completely modern one.  No, instead, it is just the term to describe the concept.  74.77.124.236 (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)