Talk:Public criminology

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This page was created through the joint efforts of Eastern Michigan University's CRM447W: Senior Seminar in Criminology class during the Fall 2018 semester with continued work during the Winter 2019 semester. DoctorKarpiak (talk)

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2019 and 26 April 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): McGreal Duffy, Asutton7, Hcutler, MVetter15, Jlyons15, Cfowler8, EMUramirez, RosolinoM23, Jazlynn1, Alexandria Paliszewski, Troyal15, Jbrichan, Abochar, Diasav, GdusaEMU, Amanda akles, Kgreen50, Davon0828, Kstein4, Tbyrd10, Cmallory9, Beauemu23, Lmullins19, Kaylak23, Aarnold15.

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 May 2019 and 21 June 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Dfett1, Shuelke, Smithpf, CGamache, TaylorMarcusStudent, Koshea2, Tstevens211, BreezyLBM, Ayabarr23, AWGraham14, NavinN95, Lkovach5, Lwilliams3emu. Peer reviewers: Dfett1, Shuelke, Smithpf, CGamache, TaylorMarcusStudent, Koshea2, Tstevens211, BreezyLBM, Ayabarr23, AWGraham14, NavinN95, Lkovach5, Lwilliams3emu.

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 26 August 2019 and 11 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Graceward601, Katie Kirkpatrick. Peer reviewers: Steffensarah22, Corynneemmerson, ToruOyama1.

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Essay
Pinging, hope it's okay to bring you here but this has become a massive essay with a ton of WP:OR. I'm not sure how to even go about helping the students clean it up but can you please help? Even the lead is what I'd expect to find in an essay, not an encyclopedia. Praxidicae (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not to mention, I've now been reverted three times for removing inappropriate links, such as this which appears to be a Professor of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the same university (and department) which this class assignment is for. Almost the entire article is based on his research and it's a massive conflict of interest. Can someone with WikiEd please get involved and discuss this? Praxidicae (talk) 15:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I think this is useful conversation to have, but as the professor supervising this project I have to voice my dissent with this reading. First, this entry was vetted thoroughly last semester by a number of individuals and projects and none of this was voiced. The most recent changes from this semester have in fact been geared toward addressing some of the reviewer concerns. While I am not 100% committed to inclusion of the link to Gregg Barak's website, I take special issue with the interpretation that this entry is "almost entirely based on his research". He is mentioned because his work on "newsmaking criminology" is both one of the inspirations and sources of contrast for "public criminology". This fact is duly cited with multiple peer-reviewed articles. I also take issue with the argument that this entry reads like original research and not like an encyclopedia. There is no original research offered here, rather it consists of summaries of the relevant peer-reviewed academic literature and debates. It was my understanding that the core purpose of the Wiki Ed project was to assure that what counts as "knowledge" on Wikipedia be more strongly rooted in this. DoctorKarpiak (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:39, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * What is acceptable for a paper submitted in school is not the same thing that is acceptable in an encyclopedic article, as is the case here. It is rife with original research and if I didn't know this was a class assignment, I'd suspect a case of someone with a conflict of interest attempting to insert references to promote one individuals research.Praxidicae (talk) 16:22, 19 April 2019 (UTC)


 * ,, I'll take a look through this and give some thorough feedback. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:08, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry that it's taken me a while to get back to this - I ended up getting fairly sick over the weekend and wasn't able to get back to this since I had so much of a backlog of work to get back to. I'll try to get to this today or tomorrow! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that this article reads like Original Research (which is forbidden on Wikipedia), and that it seems to be institutional self-promotion. I am familiar with Barak's work, but I don't think someone from Barak's university should be promoting it so forcefully on WP. Also, the lead is far too long and doesn't succinctly communicate the most important things a lead should communicate. I understand that some students who are unfamiliar with Wikipedia have created this, but I think their edits should be in a sandbox because it isn't ready to go live. It reads too much like a school assignment with biased original research (even if that was not your intent). Aroundthewayboy (talk) 21:37, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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Historical antecdents and "find inspiration"
"Uggen and Inderbitzin find similar inspiration in the work of Elliott Currie,[citation needed] a professor of criminology, law and society at the University of California at Irvine who works on policy and specializes in cases of violent crime, the social context of delinquency, etiology of drug abuse and the assessment of drug policy, race and criminal justice, and George Kirkham, a police officer-turned-criminologist who wrote a book entitled 'Signal Zero.'"

I started to add a citation for the language around Currie based on the Public Criminologies paper cited here, but I noticed that the same sentence is saying Uggen and Inderbitzen "find inspiration" in the work of two people in this sentence. I don’t see where the authors used language like this, though they do say this on p. 744:

"If public criminology is to become a public good, then it can build on the rich legacy of engaged scholarship begun by scholars such as Shaw and contemporary criminologists such as John Braithwaite (2005) and Elliott Currie."

I found no reference to Kirkham, and have no idea where to find it, but I want to note that the reference for Kirkham is simply regarding his being the author of a book called Signal Zero, rather than the claim that Uggen and Inderbitzin find inspiration in his work.

Basically: This sentence is 69 words, much of which is biographical information about the subjects in whose work Uggen and Inderbitzin are claimed to find inspiration. I think it’d make sense at least to:
 * break these into separate sentences
 * limit the biographical information
 * modify the language to more closely reflect what’s literally said in the paper

More radically, I propose removing this sentence altogether and perhaps replacing it with information that accounts for how the works Currie and Kirkham specifically serve as historical antecedents. Spida-tarbell (talk) 02:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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