Talk:Publius Quinctilius Varus

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Should this not be Publius Quintilius Varus?? Where is the c in Quinctilius coming from??

Is the Twelve Caesars supposed to redirect here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Caesars

Head of Varus?
According to this article the head of Varus was sent to Rome by Arminius. But in the main Arminius article it says: "Arminius had repeatedly sought to forge an anti-Roman alliance with Marbod (he even sent him the head of Varus after the victory of Teutoburg Forest), but the latter was not willing to play a supporting role to Arminius. "

Did he first send the head to Marbod and then to Rome or is there an error in either articles?


 * Or possibly multiple contradictory sources. I couldn't find any mention of head fates in the literature I have here. Stan 22:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I suppose that it's not impossible that the head was sent both to Marbod and then to Rome. The taking of heads in battle and showing them publicly was a traditional Germanic "custom". Actually if I remember correctly the Romans had some problems with their germanic auxilia, they were taking heads of their fallen enemies and showing them to Roman centurions&commanders which wasn't that apreciated.


 * There are about four or five roman/greek authors, from who we know about all this stuff: Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Velleius Paterculus, Cassius Dio Cocceianus and Lucius Anneus Florus. Varus killed himself like his father killed himself, so that their family won't suffer any restrictions due to his name. He apparently found no better solution. When the german fighters stormed the camp, the dead body of Varus was obviously not entirely burnt by his subordinates. Arminius still had an issue with the markomannian king Marbod. Otherwise he would have sent the head to someone more roman or the whole thing would not have been worth mentioning, though Tacitus (Annales) describes that a relative to Arminius did jokes about the dead body of Varus. Marbod, who kept himself and his people neutral during the conflict, received the head and sent it further to rome, where Augustus let it be buried with all honours. So we do know where the head is, but we still don't really know were the body lies. There is this roman author named Sextus Julius Frontinus, who wrote a book about military tactics. In Book II (Chapter: "On Bringing the War to a Close after a Successful Engagement") he sais, that "Arminius, leader of the Germans, likewise fastened on spears the heads of those he had slain, and ordered them to be brought up to the fortifications of the enemy."84.57.82.68 03:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Gunther

Cassius Chaerea
Cassius Chaerea's participation in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest was ficiton created by R.Graves. If you think otherwise, quote your source. Naerhu 04:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Edward Gibbon
Edward Gibbon's account of the Battle of Teutoburg is Heavily out dated, Inaccurate and only used as a refence work to look at how historical opinion has change of Roman History.it maybe a great work of ancient History but you can't really cite it as your major source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.191.52 (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Dating
There is considerable confusion in this article about the dating of various events. "Later he went to govern Syria from 7/6 BC until BC" obviously has something missing. It appears that he was still there in 4 BC when Herod died and a revolt broke out in Judea but then we read "Following the governorship of Syria, Varus returned to Rome and remained there for the next few years. Between 10 BC to 6...." 6 what? BC or AD? Either will fit for it could be a 4 year campaign or a 16 year campaign.The same applies to "In 6, the region was declared pacified and Varus was appointed to govern," though it would appear from "In September 9, Varus was preparing..." that we are now talking AD which has not been mentioned.This dating needs tidying up to make proper sense.

Logical Analyst (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I have returned and seen that no amendments have been made to the dating. However, I now see that the main article about this battle dates Varus' appointment as 6 AD and the battle as 9 AD.I will therefore tidy up the dating here so that it is not only correct but makes sense. A related thought has occurred to me that the apparent historical error in Luke's Gospel over the date of Jesus' birth and the census could be merely a mistake over a name - not Quirinius but Quinctilius who was indeed Governor of Syria on the period leading up to the death of Herod and could have overseen a census ordered by Augustus. This, too, would make sense of the word "first" in Luke 2.2 for that implies that there was a second census which would be the well-known one taken under the oversight of Quirinius at the end of Archelaus' reign in AD6. This also fits in with Luke 3.23 "Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his public ministry" Logical Analyst (talk) 16:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Livius.org says that Varus went to Rome after 4BC, but gives no source. Jewish Encyclopedia and Josephus agree that he went to Antioch. Antipocalypse (talk) 21:55, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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Political career
In the last sentence in this section, "Thus, the archaeological record seems to verify mass popular protest against Rome because of Varus' cruelty," the words "Thus" and "seems" suggest an editor's inference, not something in a source. "Seems" in particular is a weasel word. This sentence has no reference backing it up. Accordingly, I will leave it alone long enough for someone to dispute me here and then delete it. Almost the entire paragraph looks like it relies on reference 17, "66 A.D. – The Last Revolt (DVD). History Channel." The History Channel is definitely not a RS. The whole paragraph, except its first sentence, is therefore questionable. In fact, it sounds very much like the sort of "embellishment" the History Channel is so fond of. I hesitate, though, to take out such a big chunk. If anyone has better information from a better source, please add it. Dgndenver (talk) 13:15, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

A Relevant Grook
Piet Hein, the creator of the Soma cube, also did a little poetry on the side -- writing small poems he called "grooks". And one of them could be a popular-culture example here, though on that I defer to the page managers. I can't get an indicated online source to confirm the text in my memory -- but the latter goes:

With a head that aches severely and a sorely weeping eye, I lie helplessly extended at full length;

And like old Augustus (nearly) I beat my breast and cry: "O virus, virus, give me back my strength!"

If I do find a source, I'll try to report in -- but I would also invite others to find it first.

jalp 209.209.81.56 (talk) 15:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)