Talk:Pudendal nerve

Orgasm
how did a search for "33hz orgasm" get me to THIS page? Plonk420 06:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Why on earth were you searching for that? Well, as a bonus you get to learn something about the pudendal nerve. Isn't that nice. JFW | T@lk  07:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

This article needs illustrations of nerves controlling the female orgasm. The female orgasmic anatomy is much different from and more complicated than, the male's.

Is it safe to freeze this nerve during bilateral orchidectomy surgery? Can it cause damage to sensation of the genitals?--Sonjaaa 23:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the rate of orgasm-associated muscle contractions 1 every 0.8 seconds? That's not 0.8Hz, it's 1.25Hz.

Good explanations
Hi I've seen a lot of good explanations here KRISG22 (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)KRISG22]]

Parasympathetic?
Isn't the pudendal nerve a PARAsympathetic afferent rather than sympathetic..?

PNTML
Suggest this is a notable facet of discussion of clinical significance of this nerve. PubMed Google books. Lesion ( talk ) 10:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Edit: Sorry for the hasty removal,, I should have left a talk page message. I'm a little confused as to how this procedure is notable in terms of the pudendal nerve article. Would this procedure would be relevant or available to the majority of our lay readers? How this is different from Nerve conduction velocity in the general sense, couldn't this be mentioned in all articles about nerves? Could this be mentioned in one of the subarticles relating to damage? (If there is no subarticle, perhaps a better solution would to be to add a subsection about damage and incorporate this into the subsection). Thoughts? --LT910001 (talk) 11:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It sounds the same as nerve conduction velocity from the lead of that article ... but I would stress that I do not know much about either topic. I can't remember what content was removed, but probably it was half finished so did not make much sense. PNTML is mostly of relevance to incontinence, and perhaps also sexual dysfunction, so perhaps it could be discussed in those terms? We have a dedicated article on Pudendal nerve entrapment, which is very rare and is not an ideal place to place more general content about dysfunction of this nerve... I think I started a sandbox to work on an article to be called peudendal nerve neuropathy or somesuch where such content would be more relevant... but it is not ready.


 * We do not discuss the pathology of the PN with due weight... we give a section to a very rare condition, and gloss over much more common conditions, like obstetric trauma for example. Would recommend mention of sacral nerve stimulation also. Lesion  ( talk ) 11:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree. Based on past nominations we probably have about a month to get this added before the review starts. --LT910001 (talk) 23:33, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I could make the "imaging" section into an "Investigation" section... and then PNTML could be mentioned in there; and the "Entrapment" section could be renamed and expanded to "Dysfunction" or "pathology". Lesion  ( talk ) 11:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, it occurred to me that PNTML is not synonymous with nerve conduction velocity since only the delay between proximal electrical stimulation and distal motor response is being quantified... sensory does not factor in this investigation. Lesion  ( talk ) 11:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I am thinking along the same lines. In the next week I'll add a "damage" section, with a short precis of how damage may occur (eg childbirth) and the symptoms, and subheadings Motor Latency and Imaging, as both of these are essentially checking for nerve damage.--LT910001 (talk) 11:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, sounds good. I might do some stuff here today but feel free to change it. Lesion  ( talk ) 11:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! Thanks --LT910001 (talk) 12:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Diagram
The course of the pudendal nerve is v complex and difficult to picture from words alone. We have one diagram, but this does not adequately represent the 3D arrangement of the nerve with neighboring pelvic structures imo. ping for CFCF's attention here: are there any alternative images available in your sources? Many thanks, Lesion  ( talk ) 12:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * These are some I found after a quick look. The 2:nd and 3:rd image are a bit dates, as they mark the pudic nerve. Tell me if these are good enough, otherwise I can probably find some better ones. CFCF (talk · contribs · email) 12:40, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I think all these are good to go into the article. Perhaps combined with removal of some of the current ones... File:Gray320.png ; File:Sacral plexus schematic.svg stand out as not being very useful imo... Lesion  ( talk ) 20:24, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree, I particularly like the first and fourth one here. What I will do is integrate the remaining ones with some of the existing images in a gallery sequence showing the nerve's course. Hope that we don't remove Gray320, as (for me at least) it shows a good description of the greater and lesser sciatic foramen, and the sacro-iliac ligament. The nerve's exit and entry from the pelvis is something often mentioned, but rarely depicted well diagramatically. --LT910001 (talk) 05:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, with circumspection I'm not really sure what the first three sobo images add in terms of value to the page -- they have the 'pudendal nerve' labelled, but it doesn't really show anything about its course other than confirming it does exist in the pelvis. Additionally, would you be able to find a good diagram showing its course in women? Seems a bit lopsided to have so many images of male anatomy only. There was the Grey's one, but I don't think just because something is labelled in an image it is worthy of a mention. Am also so-so about the current gallery images, as they are essentially the same as the infobox image. Am glad that the 'commons' tag exists, perhaps we could relocate them there. Thoughts? --LT910001 (talk) 06:08, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * But the greater and lesser sciatic foramen is not the focus... also a few of the other diagrams show this as well as the nerve, whereas Gray320 is only osteology. Would remove Gray320 and add the caption detail to another image which shows the foramen. Sobo_1909_724.png and Sobo_1911_725.png both show a different perspective from the other images, and would be good to help identify the course of the nerve imo. Agree Sobo 1909 727.png probably not that useful. Lesion  ( talk ) 11:33, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * True, but it also helps understand the course. Feel free to add (and re-add if I have removed any) any relevant images, we can put them in sequence in a gallery at the bottom of the 'structure' section, and I'll put the foramen image in the gallery, so it doesn't get pride of place. --LT910001 (talk) 05:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Other animals
What other animals have pudendal nerves? For a GA I would have thought this info should be present... unfortunately I have no idea how to find out such info... rats at least have pudendal nerves, because some researchers experiments' involve rats pudendal nerves. Perhaps it is all vertebrates... Lesion ( talk ) 20:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not really certain where to look either. Maybe has an idea? I took some images from a 1950 book that has lapsed out of copyright and when I search it there is at a least mention of the image annotation here (dog):  Don't know if that is significant enough.  CFCF  (talk · contribs · email) 09:14, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


 * So, this is outside my area of expertise, but my suspicion is that it would be hard to really call anything a "pudendal nerve" outside of mammals, especially considering that few other vertebrates have external genetalia. I've got a book at home I can do some digging in (ping me after a week in case I've forgotten) for reptiles, but my a priori hypothesis is that it's only in mammals. HCA (talk) 15:41, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for looking into this HCA. Lesion  ( talk ) 11:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Pelvic muscles
Branches also innervate muscles of the pelvic floor; namely the bulbospongiosus and ischiocavernosus muscles,[9]

...I am not sure these 2 are classified as pelvic floor muscles. Their respective main articles, and the pelvic floor article do not mention that they are... Lesion ( talk ) 11:34, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Part of the perineum. Have fixed this oversight. --LT910001 (talk) 05:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Pudendal nerve (illustration)
Scuse me, but would it be possible to include an illustration of the female anatomy of the p.n. as well? Vive la difference! Thanks. 50.194.55.251 (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC) chitlit15@gmail.com

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