Talk:Pueblo clown

History?
Anyone knows the origin of this tradition? I don't think there are clowns before the contact with Europeans, but I don't know if this is really a clown, or is it actually something else that happens to resemble one and thus named as such. Yel D&#39;ohan (talk) 21:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Removed Blackface from the chart
It doesn't belong in a group with clown archetypes. It's not an archetype or persona. This 'role' was not earmarked for professional performers, did not require expertise, was not born out of a custom or central figure in our country's zeitgeist.

Additionally, it is NOT okay to casually list a term like this in a group with the others without some caveat, asterisk, or clarification. Even worse, rolling over the word and then going to the actual article doesn't properly frame the word either.

Hell, I'm even willing to engage in a debate about whether this screwed-up blip in our history is a form of a clown but there needs to be some accountability here. I'm not asking for censorship by any means. Just making sure to do our due diligence for people that aren't familiar with the history.

The lack of accountability for our language and history is exactly why there are people openly saying they don't see what the big deal is. Looking at the Blackface article, I would bet that the author actually has that point of view. To be clear...BLACKFACE IS ABSOLUTELY RACIST AND NOT OKAY. Why? If you have to ask why, you won't understand but at the very least...it's offensive because of the question. If a stranger on a train asked you to stop kicking her seat or singing to the top of your lungs, you'd absolutely do it just because that's the human thing to do. Responding to the request with, 'what's your problem? I don't see why it bothers you.' Is offensive and absurd.

Happy to chat about it. Thank you for reading. Grokante (talk) 13:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)