Talk:Puerto Rican cuisine/Archive 1

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also, pastella is very tasty.

also, Africa isn't a country24.26.52.14 07:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup Effort
I made a first attempt at cleaning up this article (as requested) by breaking it in subsections, reordering some paragraphs, and rearranging the popular dishes section as a list. Still needed are: I think it would be wonderful if someone could provide photos of some of the popular dishes! --colibri-- 03:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * English translations for dishes and ingredients that appear in Spanish
 * Formatting Spanish terms in italics (per wikipedia standards)

Well, here is a start... I've never seen a "sofrito" made with bacon. Solcita 15:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It depends what you mean by "sofrito"; the word is used in a handful of closely related senses. It can be used to mean a puree of onion, peppers, garlic and recao, prepared beforehand in large batches (or bought from the store) and stored in the freezer or fridge; or it can mean the flavor base that results from sweating or sauteeing a specific combination of ingredients.  Sofrito in the first sense (the puree stored in the freezer or fridge) is basically a shortcut for making the second (though using a puree also it gives the food a smoother texture than using diced vegetables).  A Puerto Rican sofrito puree doesn't have bacon, ham or tomato, but a cooked sofrito in the second sense often does, depending on the dish.  (I hope this goes without saying, but "bacon" here stands for Spanish "tocino," which isn't the exact same product as American cured bacon; basically, "tocino" is smoked pork belly.)  209.204.188.184 (talk) 05:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that Goat, Rabbit, and Lamb should be eliminated from the Meats and Poultry section. They do not form part of Puerto Rican cuisine. RayLast (talk) 18:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I dare to say that we all Puerto Ricans born in the Island know about "fricasé de cabrito" or "cabrito guisa'o" (Goat's stew), and "conejo frito del campo" or "fricasé de conejo" (rabbit). Also my grandmas, my aunts, and my mother cook delicious "chuletas de cordero" (lamb) every now and then.


 * I can understand if I hear second and third generations of Boricuas from New York or Chicago saying that they don't know about it, since they lost a lot of traditions, and recipes over the years. Actually "newyoricans" still eating foods like "cuchifritos", when in Puerto Rico "cuchifritos" is not even a word in use anymore, LOL.


 * Also most of the people that left PR for NY and other places in the 1930s and 1940s, were really poor people without "access" to a lot of these products. They basically only knew about dry codfish, starchy tubers, geen bananas, "pollo frito con tostones", and sometimes rice and beans (arroz y habichuelas) or "arroz con pollo".


 * Greetings!


 * --Portorricensis (talk) 04:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, cuchifrito stands are common in PR and cuchrifritos are a staple in many student's and beachgoers fare. Cuchifrito is actually an everyday word easily understood by most native puertorricans. Regarding goat, rabbit and lamb, it may not be everyday fare anymore (many native puertorricans have never tried them), but you can still find goat, rabbit and lamb meat in major supermarket chains on the island, as well as most public/farmer's markets 'plazas del mercado' in most towns/municipalities. 24.55.101.158 (talk) 00:12, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Under the beverages section, the link for "Malta" leads to the island country, not the soft drink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.67.249 (talk) 02:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Mexican Influences
Can someone please find sources for this? Off the top of my head I cannot think of very many similarities between the two cuisines, nor any common dishes. 98.212.165.97 (talk) 02:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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--Portorricensis (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

65.23.199.206 (talk) 16:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Daily sabotage to this article
It's so frustrating trying almost everyday to rescue deleted accurate info. and pictures, trying to fix misinformation posted, and dealing with other sabotage behavior by people that only show a dynamic (constantly changing) ID. Today I had to rescue four pics, and fix three lists in alphabetical order. We're still missing the cachucha and caballero pepper pics, chorizo's, guinea hen's, chayote's, and some others. :=/ --Portorricensis (talk) 19:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's stop the war-editing nonsense
For crying out loud, this article is about the food of Puerto Rico, why all the fuzz? There is no way that Puerto Rican cuisine has been influenced by Mexican cuisine. Where did the person who added that get his information from? Where is the cited source? Just because in Puerto Rico we eat Tacos from "Taco Bell" doesn't mean that it is part of our native cuisine. I just happened to notice the war-editing which is going on around here and I believe that version posted by User:Caribbean H.Q. is neutral without a political agenda as required by Wikipedia policy. Any changes to the article should be accompanied by a verifiable reliable source. Let's keep it cool, O.K? Tony the Marine (talk) 02:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Tony the problem here seems clear to me, Portoricensis is pushing his POV both here and at Puerto Rico. There, even after it was noted that the source was the CIA (i.e. the government of the U.S. itself) he has been flooding the talk page with his POV and has now began edit warring as well. I told him to cut the political baits in non-political articles a while ago, which he obviously ignored. After noticing that, I cleared the article to include the name of geographic regions rather than political divisions, explaining it on the edit summary. That of course, was reverted without explanation. I'm not sure why he cited my "political influences" as a reason when I noted his random revert. When unlike him, who has provided us with some merry POV comments like "At least American citizenship by birth enabled us (Puerto Ricans) to move into the continental United States and becoming residents of any state there to enjoy every right of any citizens of the our Nation, civil, social and political." and "The Dark blue variant was ofical Since 1952 to 1994 and the governor of Puerto Rico in 1995 (a statehooder) signed a law stating that the oficial flag of Puerto Rico is the ugly sky blue variant, used once by "independentistas".", I have actually been forced to deal with POV-pushers of all ideologies, including the ultra-separatist sockpuppeter Wiki En Wiki. From my perspective, what we have here is a user with serious POV and ownership issues, who demands the "removal of misinformation" by trying to promote his own POV. - Caribb e a n ~ H. Q.  21:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Article Protection
I have placed the article under protection from the war editing that is going on until the parties involved express their concerns and matters are settled. Tony the Marine (talk) 19:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * 1. First of all the article is about "Puerto Rican Cuisine", in other words about typical traditional Puerto Rican dishes. In regard to the following edit: "The cuisine (of Puerto Rico) is also influenced by the cuisine's of the rest of the United States, Mexico, and African countries like Ethiopia." is incorrect. Puerto Rican cuisine is unique to Puerto Rico and a result of a combination of the cuisine's of Spanish, Tainos and Africans.

Ethiopia? Where did this come from? The largest contingent of Africans came from the Gold Coast, Nigeria, and Dahomey, or the region known as the area of Guineas, the Slave Coast. However, the vast majority came from the Yorubas and Igbo ethnic groups from Nigeria and the Bantus from the Guineas.

We must not confuse the fact Puerto Rican cuisine has been influenced by the United States and Latin America just because there are many "Burger Kings", "Taco Bells" and Chinese restaurants in Puerto Rico which Puerto Ricans love to frequent. What this means is that the culinary tastes of Puerto Ricans have been influenced, but not the typical dishes of which this article is about.


 * 2. In regard to: "black niggers introduced the deep frying food and the preparation of mashed starchy vegetables. Mofongo is one of the dishes that contains strong African influence.''"

The part of the sentence which starts with "African" and ends with "vegetables" is fine. The Mofongo part should be placed in the "Puerto Rican Dishes" section.

and "Afro influences through Spain" would read better "African influences by way of Spain".


 * 3. In regard to "The last century as a territory of the United States has also impacted Puerto Rican cooking traditions and favorite foods." and "Since Spain ceded the archipelago to the United States, Puerto Rico adopted some cooking traditions and foods." The fact that Puerto Ricans have garnered a "taste" for Hot-dogs and Hamburgers does not mean that they are part of the "Puerto Rican Cuisine", we are talking about traditional dishes and those are not. However, Puerto Rican cuisine in many cases has adopted the way that the United States cooks it's cuisine. In my opinion the best way to express the above is "The American influence in the way that Puerto Ricans cook their meals came about after Puerto Rico became a territory of the United States as a result of the Treaty of Paris of 1898".


 * 4. In regard to: "Some other products and dishes by USA influence", this is total misinformation since, the influence came from the "British Colonies" in the Caribbean and the Pacific. During those years there was no "United States" especially in the Caribbean and in the Pacific. That goes out.


 * 5. In regard to: "Mofongo" is Dominican food". Misinformation again. The word Mofongo itself is an African word and Mofongo is a typical Puerto Rican dish which may be enjoyed in the Dominican Republic, same as "Mangu" is enjoyed in Puerto Rico. Since the article is about "Puerto Rican Cuisine" and not "Dominican Cuisine", then leave the "is Dominican food" out.


 * 6 In regard to the section: "Puerto Rican food in mainland USA cities", I don't see anything wrong here since it only refers to New York and Chicago. However, I believe that the proper rephrase would be "Puerto Rican cuisine in the United States".

Tony the Marine (talk) 06:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The "protection" was posted on the 6th and today is the 9th, time enough for the parties involved to have responded to my suggestion. I posted a request for discussion of the situation on the "talk" pages of each of the parties involved. Of the two parties involved in the war-editing, User:Caribbean H.Q. has responded and User:Portorricensis has not. It will be assumed that the suggestions which I have made have been approved and that consensus has been reached by the parties involved if they do not respond with any objections. The changes to the article as suggested will be made and said article will be unprotected. Reversion of said changes will then be considered deliberate vandalism. I will allow 24 hours before making the changes and "unprotecting" the article. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * For the most part the changes seem fine, I think we should expand the last section to something bigger than just cities, including foreign countries as well, for example beverages like Coquito and Piña Colada are merchandised outside both Puerto Rico and the US. That's why I just changed it to "Puerto Rican food outside the archipelago" which was blindly reverted as well. - Caribb e a n ~ H. Q.  16:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. Go ahead and add that Coquito and Piña Colada are sold outside of P.R. and the U.S. after I lift the "protection". Tony the Marine (talk) 17:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Unprotected, suggestions have been implemented and the article's protection from editing has been lifted. Please abide by the actions taken. Thank you all. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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¡Tony, qué barbaridad! This is totalitarism! My God! LOL

Go ahead! Do whatever you want. Take the cuisine article and keep typing all the "disparates" you can. Also keep adding all the misinformation possible to the Puerto Rico article. From "Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory" to "statutory citizenship". All myths you like to read. Go ahead and keed "misinformating" the public!

http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/

I'm done with you guys!

--Portorricensis (talk) 22:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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 * Portorricensis, I really wish that we could have sorted this thing out. The article was protected because you continued to constently make changes without discussing them first on the talk page which is the norm. For one thing, I am completely unbiased when it comes to writing and presenting facts. I am not involved in the disputed editing of the "Puerto Rico" article. As an Administrator I stepped in during the war-editing that went on this article in the role of mediator. I invited those involved to participate in their "talk" pages and presented a proposal. You choose not to participate. I left you a friendly message and instead of discussing the issues with me you proceeded to undo what you felt you didn't like. I warned you and you "threatened" me in your talk page. In part I do understand you and your believes but, you should know that it was wrong for you to take the stance "I created the article, end of story". You see, no one "owns" the articles written in Wikipedia. When you post an article, you have to accept that others have the right to change or add to it. Of, course if the addition is vandalism or unsouced, it will be removed, but good faith unbiased additions which are verifiable are accepted. If it were true, as you say, that I am spreading propaganda, I wouldn't have been honored by Congress, the Pentagon and by the Senate of Puerto Rico. Governor Luis Fortuno wouldn't have paid me tribute in a speech from Congress, nor would have members of the Puerto Rican Senate, including K. McClintock visited me and paid me tribute as well. Of course I have my personal believes, but the truth comes first and that is what I do when I write, I write the unbaised truth. Take care. Tony the Marine (talk) 05:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Nope, Tony, with all due respect: you're totally wrong. What I'd been doing is putting back things that were there first (in the article) by months and even years, and someone in a political fanatic frenzy has been either deleting or changing based on very very baised "truth", I mean political opinions. Hello, this is a cuisine article that has nothing to do with Puerto Rico's political status. If they wanna keep writing "disparates" on the Puerto Rico's article, stating inaccurate stuff like Puerto Rico is an "unincorporated" territory of USA (when there's not even one official US Congress document stating this) or that our citizenship was created by the US Congress (cosa ridícula porque existe una sola ciudadannía y emana exclusivamente de la constitución de EEUU, las "ciudadanía estatutorias NO existen, LOL), well go ahead. But NOT on this Puerto Rican Cuisine article! If they wanna say that Puerto Rico is a separated nation that has nothing to do with USA or/and that we have Puerto Rican embassies, and that all Puerto Ricans want to be separated from our American nation, go ahead and keep the misinformation. But once again, -please NOT on the cuisine article.

I'm a professor of History, and tried to combine both knowledges in Puerto Rican cuisine and historical facts. I do NOT want to mix food with politics... I just wanna see this article as accurate as possible on both "things": History and details about Puerto Rican cuisine. No thing else, nothing more!

Take care, man!

--Portorricensis (talk) 17:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

--- Portorricensis, the main problem with the article is that it does not cite nor provide reliable verifiable sources. As I have stated, I am not interested in this article "per se", my only interest here is as mediator. What I suggest is exactly what you stated above not to mix food with politics. Thereby, the relationship between Puerto Rico and the United States which is now mentioned in a neutral manner, should stay as is. Now, any changes, be it by you or anyone else should from now on provide and cite a reliable sources. For example: Where is the proof that shows that Puerto Rican cuisine was influenced by Mexican cuisine? You see what I mean? This is the only way that war-editing in this article can come to an end. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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Tony, about Mexican influence I talked about that before, and somebody deleted it. But, since I save every single word I type, here it is back again:

Recao / Culantro is a 100% Mexican herb, all kind of "habichuelas / frijoles" are native to Mexico. Also "Pico de Gallo" already incorporated to Puerto Rican cooking is originally from Mexico, and our "Taquitos" are a "Puerto Ricanized" version of "taquitos flautas" from Mexico. The incremented use of hot peppers for the last 100 yrs. is clearly an influence from South America (especially Peru) and Mexico. Although the use of hot peppers wasn't unknown for Boricuas of the past. We always used caballero peppers, and "ajicitos" (cachucha peppers, from habanero peppers family, native to Mexico and Central America) on a daily basis. You should try the "Frijoles Rancheros" from Northern Mexico; they are way a lot similar to Puerto Rican "habichuelas coloradas". Also from Mx. the empanadas, menudo potosino (mondongo in Puerto Rico), buche (cuajito), capirotada (budín de pan in Puerto Rico), patitas de cerdo, "carnitas" (we Puerto Ricans call 'em "cuchifritos", etc) Besides, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans share and use basically the same ingredients for cooking.

Viceroyalty of New Spain
Did you know that Puerto Rico was part of Mexico (Nueva España) until 1821. For God sake, read History! We are the only place in the Spanish Caribbean that uses Mexican patterns of speech and expressions. Puerto Rico is the only place in all Spanish Caribbean that don't use "calletica, chiquitico, corbatica" and all those "icos" / "icas". We use 'horita (not used in RD or Cuba), chamaco, and many other words from Mexico. That's because of the deep integration we Puerto Ricans had during the "Virreinato de Nueva España (Mexico)". Connection was like this: Cadiz, Spain - San Juan, Puerto Rico - Veracruz Mexico for almost 200 years.

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If you really wanted to end a "war", you should leave the article as it was, and not giving preference to the POV-pushing masters like Caribbean H.Q., Jmundo,and Joelr31 (Joelito).

I think it is wrong to have all these articles in "NewyoRicans" hands. Wrong, wrong, wrong! They're our brothers, but they lack knowledge about a lot of details regarding Puerto Rico's history, cuisine, etc.

Also, I insist there's political POV, motivations and propaganda in all Puerto Rico related articles. It should end now!

Greetings,

Portorricensis (talk) 17:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Consider this your last warning. Any additional personal attacks will result in a block. Discuss content not people and read WP:NPA. Joelito (talk) 19:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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Believe me, I can't care less about your warnings. I got a life! You, and the other two are always mentioning Portorricensis and saying all kind of crap about me. So we are in the same page. Then you guys should get warnings as well, unless you are gods or owners of Wikipedia. Also you guys have been deleting discussions and everything that may unmask your intentions, POV, and propaganda.

Also it'll be great to know the names of the people that Tony and/or you guys say decide "things" by consensus. Consensus of whom?

Once gain, remove all misinformation from Puerto Rico article and stop all bias and political influence on Puerto Rican cuisine article... Now!

This is my warning: If you guys keep doing all this bias and imposition circus, I'll be denouncing all your abuses everywhere. Just take a look on the Web, and you already can find all the discussions you guys deleted here. All that will be out there for long time, believe me!

Portorricensis (talk) 01:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Portorricensis, Joelito is right. You should not make this discssion a personal forum for accusations.

No, Puerto Rico was not nor has ever been part of Mexico. Puerto Rico, as part of the Caribbean, was along with the present-day Southwestern United States, Central America (which included Mexico) and the Philippines a political unit of the Viceroyalty of New Spain ruled by a viceroy from Mexico City who governed on behalf of the King of Spain. Even though Culantro, some habichuelas and "Pico de Gallo" were imported from Mexico, so were other ingredients that were imported from other regions which belonged to Viceroyalty of New Spain. As a matter of fact fruits and vegetables from Puerto Rico were exported to other regions. By stating that our cuisine was influenced by Mexico instead of the proper phrase which would be the Viceroyalty of New Spain, people automactically associate te modern day Mexican cuisine, which may be similar to ours, but is as unique to the Mexicans as our cuisine is unique to us.

I appreciate the fact that you created this article and I am willing to unprotect it, however if I do I must have an assurance from you that if you make any changes to the article as it is, you will cite and provide reliable verifiable sources as is required by policy. In other words you must proof your claims. Otherwise any changes made will be considered an act of vandalism. Tony the Marine (talk) 05:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that "Portorricensis" is a case of Mexican posing as Puerto Rican and all this individual is attempting to do at all cost is discredit the uniqueness of Puerto Rican Cuisine & wrongly educate anyone interested in information about our Cuisine/Culture. If you notice this individual makes everything about Mexico (the ridiculous claims, the unfounded and unproven supposed facts that no one seems to know but him/her). I suggest this person should not be allowed to make further malicious contributions on this site. He should join a site about what he/she seems to love so much (Mexico).

Sincerely,

Serafin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.41 (talk) 04:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have warned this user about making personal attacks. Can we archive this page so we can concentrate on content? --J.Mundo (talk) 17:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

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LOL, Tony, Joel is not right. Actually is totally wrong!

I never said that our Puerto Rican cuisine is identical to Mexican's. Never! So está demás que me vengas con esa basofia. LOL Actually using Spain and Mexico as references I stated (already deleted by you guys): "Although Puerto Rican cooking is somewhat similar to both Spanish and Mexican cuisines, it is a unique tasty blend of influences."

We do not need references for facts that are well known. The whole world knows that all the following ingredients (produce, etc.) widely used on Puerto Rican Cuisine came / are original  from Mexico:

Tomatoes (From the Aztecan / Mexican word ‘xitomatl’) Avocado Most peppers / Pimientos / chiles / ajíces Corn Some potatoes ALL kind of beans Culantro (recao) Chocolate (From the Aztecan word 'xocolatl') Achiote (The name achiote came from Aztecan word 'achiotl') Mamey Chayote (From Aztecan word 'chayotl')

And many many more...

So Mexican influence on Puerto Rican Cuisine cannot be denied.

And yes, Puerto Rico was part of Virreinato de Nueva España (current Mexico) like many other territories, BUT... of all them, Puerto Rico was the territory with more exchange with Mexico. That's HISTORY! (Cadiz, Spain - San Juan, Puerto Rico - Veracruz, Mexico / Mexico - Puerto Rico - Spain)

Anyways, the main issue was never that. Joel should know better about it! LOL

To "Mr. IP address 67.142.130.41", heheheh: I'm not Mexican. Not even related to any actual Mexican person.

To Mr Jmundo, go and look at all the personal attacks and "names" made by Joel and CaribbeanHQ to me. Also look at you once again trying to close a discussion, when you don't like the outcome or facts don't support your propaganda.

Well, Tony, I put references in the past, but like many other stuff, everything was deleted by Joel & Co. ;-) Those three were in a sabotage trip with this article, just because I denounced all the propaganda they put on the Puerto Rico article. Basically they wanna project Puerto Rico as something totally separated from USA, that all Puerto Rico is an extension of Africa (LOL), and that that US Congress has the power to create or build citizenships, heheheh. Everything's started there.

Go ahead and unprotect the article, unless it receives more attacks from Joel & Co. ;-) I'll try to put back all the references they deleted.

Cuídate, pai,

--Portorricensis (talk) 19:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I will unprotect. Cite with verifiable sources any changes made. What some people may believe to be common knowledge may not necessarily be so for other people, which includes me when it comes to the subject of cuisines. If you have a problem with another user, please do not generalize and take up the subject with the user in thier "talk" pages instead of an article's talk page. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Cool, I will... I promise! ;-)

Regarding the other issue, please ask those three the same (ask 'em to not generalize and take up the subject with the user in thier "talk" pages instead of an article's talk page), and ask 'em to quit talking crap about me or any other person who doesn't believe or write what they want to. Also, PLEASE do something about Puerto Rico's article. Sadly is full of misinformation. :-(

Take care, man!

--Portorricensis (talk) 02:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I Just want to give some insight on some misrepresentations about the "Virreinato De Nueva España" & the origin of certain food items attributed as "Mexican".

The following is information that can be obtained & corroborated in many reliable and credible sources on the web like Encyclopedia Encarta, Britannica, & Wikipedia among others.

Virreinato De Nueva España - political-administrative entity established by Spanish monarchs to govern portions of the western hemisphere now know as Puerto Rico, Mexico, Venezuela, Florida, etc. (just to mention a few). The appointees by Spain to rule this region were to be located in Nueva España (modern day Mexico), which was the nucleus of the Virreinato. All these lands belonged to Spain and not Mexico. Therefore if you read the entire history of the Virreinato you will realize Puerto Rico was part of it but never belonged to Mexico or anyone else for that matter other than Spain until the Spanish American War where many territories passed to the United States.

The following previously cited food items and their true indigenous origins (which can also be verified on any encyclopedia or other reliable/credible source:

Tomatoes (From the Aztecan / Mexican word ‘xitomatl’) - Native to Mexico

Avocado - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)

Most peppers / Pimientos / chiles / ajíces (proper Spanish spelling in plural is Ajíes not  Ajíces) - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)

Corn - Native to Mexico

Some potatoes - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)

ALL kind of beans - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)

Culantro (recao or Mexican coriander) - Native to Mexico, Central America (not just Mexico)

Chocolate (From the Aztecan word 'xocolatl') - Native to Central & South America (not just Mexico)

Achiote (The name achiote came from Aztecan word 'achiotl') - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)

Mamey - Native to Mexico, Central & South America (not just Mexico)

I kindly suggest to anyone posting information on this site to please carefully verify your sources as we do not want to misinform the public.

Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.82.180.23 (talk) 15:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Pending changes
This article is one of a number (about 100) selected for the early stage of the trial of the Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Pending changes/Queue  are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Penfding changes" would be appreciated.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 23:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC).

Is corn oil still used?
From the article:
 * For 50–60 years, corn oil produced in the United States took the place of lard for making cuchifritos and alcapurrias.

The wording implies that corn oil is no longer used for those purposes. Is that the case, or is it unclear wording? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iain.dalton (talk • contribs) 23:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Corn oil is still commonly used to fry cuchifritos, though "vegetable oil" (which is corn oil mixed with other oils) is a common economical choice, as is sunflower oil. I personally prefer an blended olive frying oil for its flavor. 24.55.101.158 (talk) 00:26, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

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