Talk:Puffin crossing

Copyright Infringements?
This article looks like it has been copied and pasted from somewhere else. I search some text in google and it looks like that this article had been glued together from these two sites.


 * Dudley Road Safety
 * UK Department of Transport

I have reverted this article to the version by User:Man vyi-- antilived 05:51, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Are government publications not public domain in the UK? They are in the US. What could be more public than that which your government publishes at taxpayer expense? EthanL (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You are obviously not familiar with the way the British government works! :=}  --jmb (talk) 12:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Date
Is there a date for the introduction of Puffin Crossings? --jmb (talk) 12:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

20080820 Sections of this article read a bit like a polemic on how bad Puffins are. Whether true or not, it is not the right tone for an encyclopedic article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.22.17 (talk) 12:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Ethymology
Where does the name origin from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.73.116.31 (talk) 20:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * They are just going through the zoo I think, with a preference for black-and-white animals, and animals beginning with "P". Rich Farmbrough, 00:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC).


 * Puffin--195.137.93.171 (talk) 01:56, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Functionality of the nearside indicator
The article currently states that the red/green pedestrian signal can be monitored simultaneously to observing the traffic (which is true, from the perspective of one waiting at the roadside), but as a user of some of these crossings (and there still being Pelican-predecessor systems elsewhere on my travels) I actually prefer the across-the-road indicator version. The reasoning behind this is that when one (as a pedestrian) approaches the crossing, one could often get a view of the state of the 'little green man' (allowing one to decide whether to hurry up and catch the crossing before the "don't start crossing" flashing state, or to relax and hold back), whereas Puffin signals are often angled to be not distance-visible at all when approaching from most directions, it seems to me. The main reason for not trivially seeing opposing-side indicators is due to high-sided vehicles being in the way; either moving (when obviously it couldn't be safe to cross) or having been brought up stationary in a queue (in which case the bold and experienced will often hold the eyes of the drivers concerned and weave across regardless of light state, if there's no ripple of movement down the road). Secondarily is when one arrives obliquely to the crossing (e.g. along the line of the road) and the shroud only allows a visual on the light across-ways, rather than towards the stream(s) of oncoming traffic where the round roadway-lights are facing.

However, this disadvantage aside (which I've not found any official word about), my initial beliefs (also unsubstantiated, but from my own experience as both pedestrian and road-user) were always that the change was made in order to face the pedestrian indicators away from the approaching traffic (as opposed to heavily but maybe not perfectly shrouded, in the case of the Pelican system) and avoid giving a forewarned-hint to impatient drivers/cyclists/etc who might second-guess the roadway lighting by the change of the pedestrian lighting. (Which makes it ironic that, in the above pedestrian-obscuration situation for a Puffin set-up, I now try angle my approach on foot to try to glimpse the state of the traffic-control lights, from the side of their shrouding (perhaps by the faintly escaping side-glow alone), as a surrogate (and inverse) hint for the lost Pelican pedestrian lights.)

But I've no idea any of the above is backed up in literature, so putting it here as a definitely unresearched additional titbit of information, to make of what you may. 178.105.138.196 (talk) 16:10, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Question
The introduction here says The design is distinct in that the lights controlling the pedestrians are on the same side of the road as the pedestrian user, rather than on the opposite side as in the older pelican crossing it replaces, while the Concerns section says these crossings may be less safe because of it. Surely the logical remedy would be to have both, and (where I live, at least) they do. So is a Puffin crossing specifically one which doesn't have a far side indicator, or have they been upgraded since this article was written? Or have some local authorities simply tacked near-side indicators onto their existing Pelican crossings? And do these hybrid crossings have some other bird-based name? Does anybody know? Moonraker12 (talk) 16:30, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Puffin Crossing in Belfast?
The image of a "Puffin Crossing" in Belfast in actually a photo of a Toucan Crossing, not a puffin crossing. It clearly allows both pedestrians and cycles and is therefore not technically a puffin crossing. Suggest using a photo of an actual puffin crossing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.2.171 (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Phasing out
The intro says From 2016, pelican crossings began to be phased out in the United Kingdom, to be replaced with puffin crossings.

Then later In 2014, Transport for London announced that they would stop installing Puffins.

Hopefully 10 years later there's an answer to which crossing type won. Alextgordon (talk) 07:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)