Talk:Puffy AmiYumi

The Links
Am I the only one who thinks that the links might not be legal? Are they?--68.170.86.111 02:53, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * How are they not legal? They seem fine to me. --Snkcube 06:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly sure they're not illegal, not in anyway I can see. The links to the "Official Photo Album" and "the Very Best of Puffy / AmiYumi Jet Fever Official Album Site" might be a tad spammy though. External links. DarthInsinuate 12:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

That's what I mean. Aren't those things copywrighted?--68.170.86.111 23:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you're confusing things, big time. You also spelled "copyrighted" wrong. There's no copyright violation in posting a link to an external site. And if the sites themselves happen to contain an outside party's copyrighted material, that's not a Wikipedia concern. The sites you refer to are fine though. --CJ Marsicano 21:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * See WP:EL - they're not fine. Anything that's not an official site should not be linked to, so I have removed the Geocities sites and the forum, because they are linkspam. MSJapan 08:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Where do you see in the WP:EL that only official sites can be linked to? What it says is official sites *should* be linked to, not that nothing else can be.  There may be some guidelines in the "links to avoid" section that these links broke, but people shouldn't have the idea that they can only link to official sites. Badasscat 20:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism
How can we deal with the issue that the melody to the teen titans theme and secret agent man are too similar to be a coincidence? This is the same thing that happened with that "I want a new drug" song and the ghostbusters music. And I don't want to get pointless flak from puffy fans who want to cover up the obvious fact that this is a smash and grab of a popular classic 60s rock song, give me real reasons why this doesn't belong in the article, if it actually doesn't. If it's for veracity, listen to the songs and hear for yourself. Barring that, what would qualify as a reliable source for this? --Hrodulf 05:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It probably should be dealt with in some fashion in the article (maybe I'll take a stab at it), but I think you're missing the point, which is that this song is an intentional homage, not a "smash and grab". The difference being that it's common knowledge what the inspiration to it was, including among the band themselves, and they have never denied it.  (It's kind of like how Fox's "So You Think You're Smarter than a 5th Grader" intentionally apes the theme to "Meatballs").  These songs are also not nearly close enough musically to fall under any sort of copyright violation.  If you want to talk plagiarism, then you should ask about a song like "Tokyo I'm On My Way", which *is* a direct rip-off of a Swedish song (same lyrics and all), and it's unclear whether or not PUFFY knew it before recording  (my guess is no).  That song was written for them by Dexter Holland.  Badasscat 18:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm living in Japan, and am currently doing research on rock based pop music. The plagiarism/homage argument is a bit pointless here. Often in Japanese pop (and Japanese art in general...see Donald Keene's "Japanese Literature: An Introduction For Western Readers" for further elucidation) "rip-offs" are conscious references that the artist not only knows their audience will catch, but tend to be made with the INTENTION of being "caught" by the audience...the "rip-off" is a conscious part of the artistic statement. Case in point: Polysics (who, interestingly enough, remixed the "Teen Titans" theme for a single) named an album "Neu" (after, obviously, the band Neu,) dress in Devo outfits, and make numerous 80s post punk "references" in that album (one track is XTC's "Cross Wires" with the chorus removed.) Puffy themselves recorded "これが私の生きる道" (retitled "That's The Way It Is" on the American "soundtrack" for  their TV show,) which has numerous, obvious, and quite clearly intentional lifts from Beatles songs. It's unthinkable that their audience wouldn't know where they came from, and that's the point. Singling out the "Teen Titans" theme would be disingenuous, since that's but one example of literally thousands in current Japanese pop. That's the way it works over here. 220.1.152.99 13:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)TPOJ

Kaz
Why does Kaz Harada redirect to Puffy AmiYumi? Surely he should have his own article? --zeldamaster3 20:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

He does have his own article, but there is hardly any information.Atomic45 05:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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Featured?
Can we nominate Puffy AmiYumi as a featured article. I think it's pretty extensive now--zeldamaster3 12:37 21 June 2006 (GMT)
 * Featured? No, I think it will fail. It would not even reach good article status. There are no references at all. And the article has no "history" section, how they met each other, etc. There is only a paragraph in the lead, but nothing more. The images don't have a fair use rationale, dates are given in "Month Day", "m/d" and "Day Month" format (choose only one format), etc. -- ReyBrujo 12:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Official MySpace Page
Today is June 26 and on the profile, there are 4 new songs: If this is not an official profile then how do they have these songs, Splurge isn't even released yet! --zeldamaster3 16:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Call Me what you Like
 * 2) Go Buddy Power Now
 * 3) Tokyo I'm On My Way
 * 4) MoleLike

According to Tofu Records it is an official page --zeldamaster3 14:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Check it out, it's at the bottom!

Image:PUFFY on MySpace123.JPG
 * Is there any link to an established website? Note that emails sent to any editor are not reliable sources, since we can't verify them. Also, do not inline images in talk pages. -- ReyBrujo 17:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Joining a Fanclub
Why did they make the music video and not release it as a single???

--Zeldamaster3 14:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, but I suppose they didn't have to release it as a single. Maybe they felt that it wasn't needed?
 * TakaraLioness 19:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Move?
Puffy AmiYumi is only what they're known as in the United States, and they're a Japanese group. I believe it would be appropriate to rename this article to PUFFY, which is currently a redirect page. -- Gray  Porpo  ise  19:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That makes sense. I won't object to the move.
 * TakaraLioness 20:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's a good idea, you won't be hearing any objections from me.
 * Atomic45 05:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, it definitely should be moved. The band name is Puffy, and the fact that they release CDs in the US under a different name will not change this.
 * OddstarDeluxe (talk) 22:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Split outs
Main article had too much detail. Long discography section now split into separate article, as it tours section. Wasted Time R 03:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Nicknames "Jane" and "Sue"
Both Ami's and Yumi's pages, as well as this page, list their nicknames prominently as "Jane" and "Sue". As far as I know, these nicknames were only ever used once, on the "Rolling Debut Revue" tour DVD (possibly also on "An Illustrated History" - I haven't gotten my copy out in a while), and they were made up as part of a set of English nicknames given to the entire band. It seems obvious that this was because they were on their first US tour and they did it as kind of a joke for their Japanese audience to make it seem like they were trying to fit in with an English-speaking crowd.

Should these names be de-emphasized or removed at this point? They never go by them anymore (if they ever really did), in either the US or Japan, and this article implies that they are their actual nicknames. It seems misleading at best.--Badasscat 18:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm... Interesting point. Well, I guess it wouldn't hurt the article to make it not mislead readers. Though, perhaps there should be a note about the nicknames' purpose, rather than just deleting them entirely. TakaraLioness 23:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Discrepancies between the Japanese and US Puffy AmiYumi articles
The Japanese Puffy page says Ami passed the Sony SD Audition in 1991, while Yumi passed the Chotto Sokomade audition in 1992. Both were then trained at Sony Music Associates until they asked to be paired in 1995. However, no source is given for this, but it's such specific info and it's been edited by a much larger pool of fans that it's hard to immediately discount it.

The info given here is that they passed separate talent searches much later, and the source is IGN. The IGN article, however, doesn't list any of its sources, and their article is pretty vague. I'm inclined to believe the Japanese wikipedia entry over IGN on this, but I didn't want to unilaterally remove a sourced bit of info with what amounts to an unsourced one, even if I do believe the unsourced one is correct.

What does everyone else think about this? Should we bring this article more in line with the Japanese Puffy article?--Badasscat 18:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Does the japanese article offer references? Wikipedia itself cannot be used as a reference for other articles. -- ReyBrujo 23:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to Puffy's English site's bio section, it happened in 1995, not 1991. TakaraLioness 23:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I know it's probably hard to believe, but the official bio must be wrong. In "Ayumi", their 10th anniversary book, Ami apparently says her audition was when she was a senior in high school, and Yumi says hers was when she was around 18.  That would put them in 1991 and 1992, as the Japanese wikipedia page says.  (It doesn't cite a source, but that could be it.)  So this is straight from the horse's mouth.  In addition, there was a "Puffy History" retrospective on Japanese TV a while back that named and dated the auditions, and both Ami and Yumi were there and didn't contradict any of the info given.


 * If I can get an actual page number out of that Ayumi book (I'll have to re-read it), I think it probably makes sense to change the dates at the least.--Badasscat 07:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and made the change after verifying it in the book. There are no page numbers in the book, just chapters, so I cited those.  They don't actually reference years in the book, but Ami does say she auditioned when she was a sophomore in high school (that would actually have been more like 1989) and Yumi says she auditioned when she was "around 18".  Both then basically sat around the Sony offices for several years.  I included that info and removed the actual dates, since the actual dates aren't totally confirmed, except that it was clearly years before 1995.Badasscat 03:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)