Talk:Pulayar

Lets start the Unity
I invite all my people to unite for a better future and security A great fan of Ayyan Kali. 31-Jan-2006

The temple entry struggle was lead by a lot many leaders and was a momentous struggle. Refer Vaikkom struggle etc. Please do not minimalize it by saying Ayyankali won it for all lower castes.

POV and original research vs. scientific angle
There is no need in this article about prominence of individuals of this particular caste. In an encyclopedia, the article about a people group should be as close to the anthropological/ethnological/ethnographic point of view as possible.

Caste-promotion should be left aside. It is of no interest to the readers, and it reflects social/political agendas that are mostly POV. Signed: Shiva 122.162.165.45 (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Completely agree with Shiva this article lays stress upon racial features and other social features which are not only doubtful but also difficult to prove or cite. This article would need a complete overhaul. Please add to the discussion on how to improve. thanks 14:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigA (talk • contribs)

Title
It looks like people have been trying to retitle this article so that it refers primarily to Cheramar rather than Pulayar. Articles are titled, and their subject referred to therein, according to the guidelines laid out at WP:COMMONNAME. If you think that Cheramar is the common name per those criteria then please follow the procedure outlined at Requested Moves. - Sitush (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Pulayars were not untouchables in Sangakaalam
From Madras District Gazetteers: South Arcot by Madras (India: State), B. S. Baliga (Rao Bahadur) (1962)

In fact, in the Sangam and post-Sangam literature, Tamilaham was described as the land inhabited by a large number of communities such as,

1) Velir, who are identified with Vellalar

2) Karalar (agriculturists)

3) Kuravar (hillmen)

4) Vedar and Vettuvar (hunters)

5) Kurumbar and Idayar (shepherds)

6) Paradavar (fisherfolk)

7) Pulayar (who executed death sentences)

8) Paraiyar (who proclaimed royal order)

9) Tunnakarar (tailors)

10) Kadambar, Eyinar, Marayar (martial community)

11) Panar(bards/poets)

12) Koottar (jugglers/wizard/magician)

13) Yavanar (merchants from Greece and Rome)

14) Naga (serpent-worshippers)

15) Vadugar (people from the North of Venkatam hills)

16) Kosar (people from the Tulu country)

There is also evidence to suggest that Raja Raja I recruited as his warriors and chiefs members from diverse communities living at the margin of the Kaveri heartland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.96.14.28 (talk) 17:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Revert
I have just reverted to the "last best version" of Sept last year. There has been a lot of activity since then but little of use. We must source stuff but the research at Shodganga is often very poor quality & past discussion at WT:IND favoured avoiding it. - Sitush (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2020
Please change are an untouchable caste to were a backward caste Cheriansamuel (talk) 14:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 14:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2020
Lead has academic errors. Opening sentence The Pulayar were an untouchable caste in Hinduism implies they no longer exist, Pulayars are still present vastly across Kerala. You cannot change it to are an untouchable caste either as they are no longer an untouchable caste, untouchability does not exist anymore and is punishable by law, and they are not "a caste in Hinduism" (unsourced and unnecessary), its a "caste in Kerala state". Since they still lives, the lead should begin with identifying who they are (scheduled caste):

''The Pulayar are a community primarily found in Kerala, India, who are classified as Scheduled caste by the government of Kerala. They were the main agrarian society in the state. In Malayalam, the word "pulaya" means a person who either "owns the land" or "works on land". 2409:4073:2E8F:D9B:DC91:3991:8371:A4CD (talk) 08:55, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The fact that they were an untouchable community is relevant to their history, so this will need more discussion. If they still fit the category of Dalit then we should word it like Pasi (caste), i.e. Pulayar... are a Dalit (untouchable) caste.... Either way, we'll need some discussion before proceeding. Primefac (talk) 15:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Problems in the lead
Lead has academic errors. Opening sentence The Pulayar were an untouchable caste in Hinduism ... implies they no longer exist, Pulayars are still present vastly across Kerala. You cannot change it to are an untouchable caste either as they are no longer an untouchable caste, untouchability does not exist anymore and is punishable by law, and they are not "a caste in Hinduism" (unsourced too), its a "caste in Kerala". Since they still lives, the lead should begin with identifying who they are (scheduled caste):

''The Pulayar are a community primarily found in Kerala, India, who are classified as Scheduled caste by the government of Kerala. Traditionally, they were an agrarian society; in Malayalam, the word "pulaya" means a person who either "owns the land" or "works on land".

They were once an untouchable caste should come after this sentence or should be moved to the body. 117.230.180.109 (talk) 13:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2021
Remove untouchable word from the content 115.114.116.18 (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Primefac (talk) 16:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Pulayar is not a cast
1. That to request about a correction about the subject 'Pulayar' (also Pulaya, Pulayas)that it is not a cast but it is a name addressed to the people who work on land (farm) in different casts mainly in southern parts of India.

2. That 'Pulam' (soil, land, mud etc.). 'Pulayar' means 'one who works on land'. That can be any person belongs to any cast.

3. That there are different kinds of 'pulayars' in different cast some of them are viz: Vettava pulaya, Ullada pulaya, Malaya pulaya, Paraya pulaya, Ezhava pulaya, Nair pulaya etc.

4. That according to the Wikipedia it is stated that "The Pulayar, IPA: [pulɐjɐr], (also Pulaya, Pulayas, Cherumar, Cheramar, and Cheraman) is a caste[1] group mostly found in the southern part of india". Which is actually wrong and error.

5.That (Cherumar, Cheramar, and Cheraman) are the people belonging to the Chera Dynasty and 'Pulayar' can be any person belonging to any cast who works on land.

5. That to make in notice that 'Pulayar' is not a cast and is erroneously considered as a cast. Dev Akhil (talk) 19:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Add more history's about pulaya
Before varna system pulayas are not avarnas they are high classes Pappully krishna (talk) 10:01, 2 September 2023 (UTC)