Talk:Pulp (band)/Archive 1

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Overall, this does a good job explaining Pulp as a popular music phenomenon but it is far too focused on the "fame" aspect and subsequently dilutes the band's overall significance. Also, it needs to be cleaned up regarding POV. I found the following examples that sound too much like a pop-weekly music critic waxing enthusiastic about the band:


 * the amusing down-to-Earth kitchen-sink lyrics of lanky, rubber-limbed front-man Cocker
 * Amazingly they landed a Peel Session
 * jangly, happy-go-lucky, folkish, romantic pop tunes
 * during its more navel-gazing, depressed-singer-in-a-hotel-room moments stylistically approached Pink Floyd's The Wall. 

These are just the first examples. The overall structure needs to be more focused on the Pulp's influence and accomplishments and less on Jarvis' lifelong quest for and subsequent disillusionment with the trappings of fame... Gladsome 22:04, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Please someone check this:

But domestic attention was never really equalled in the rest of the world, and if Pulp are known beyond the UK at all it is perhaps more likely the result of Cocker's antics at the infamous 1996 Brit Awards, when he invaded the stage in protest during Michael Jackson's performance (for which he spent the night in the cells on the ungrounded charge of having injured some of the children that Jackson was "healing").

What are those quotation marks around 'healing'? This is an encyclopedia article...


 * Regardless of the "explanations" below, surely the quote marks are simply to indicate what part Jackson was playing in the tableau on stage (i.e. pretending to heal children) - if he had been performing in a routine which called for him to pretend to shoot the children, for instance, it would say "having injured some of the children that Jackson was "shooting"". I think the quote marks are perfectly encyclopaedic, unless the contention is that Jackson was actually healing the wounds and illnesses of the child actors. 81.110.86.44 23:46, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think they're to indicate that 'healing' was how Jarvis Cocker himself described Michael Jackson's performance.
 * Jarvis Cocker stated: "My actions were are form of protest at the way Michael Jackson sees himself as some kind of Christ-like figure with the power of healing." (Jarvis' stage invasion at the 1996 Brits)
 * It's probably best rewritten and expanded to clarify this. --David Edgar 12:11, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Missing Singles
I was wondering why the singles "Razmatazz" and "Babies" haven't been mentioned here? "Babies" was the first major hit for the band and "Razmatazz" a minor hit prior to "Babies".

Cheers

ffreakscene


 * Are you sure they count as 'hits'?
 * The Pulp discography at acrylicafternoons.com gives no chart position for "Babies", and position 80 for "Razmatazz" (actually released after "Babies").
 * Going by the definition in the everyhit.com faq, only the top 40 constitute hit singles. Doing a search on the site shows that Pulp's first top 40 was "Do You Remember The First Time" in 1994. --David Edgar 10:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

-Thanks for the update on that. I just checked your link to "acrylicafternoons" (great website btw) and "Babies" got to No.19 as the first track on the "Sisters" EP shortly after "His 'n' Hers" was released.

Cheers

ffreakscene

I think we should have a list of all the singles (not just the 'hit' ones) now somebody's put 'like a friend' there too. What do people think? --Sachabrunel 14:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

The Wham-style single referenced in Pulp's entry was released in September 1983, and therefore should not be noted in the section ending 1982 (as it hadn't been released). I have corrected the earlier section and added a new paragraph to the 1993-91 section that informs the single A and B - sides and in my edit summary I supply a source for the quote.Kerojack, Argenta 14:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Info box image
The current info box image has been tagged as unlicenced, and is therefore liable to be deleted after 14 Jan. Is anyone able to confirm the licencing status or replace this with a licenced image? CLW 09:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The above image has since been deleted and replaced with a licenced one. CLW 14:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup. That was me. --Sachabrunel 14:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case - thanks! CLW 15:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Known beyond UK?
domestic attention was never really equalled in the rest of the world, and if Pulp are known beyond the UK at all it is perhaps more likely the result of Cocker's antics at the infamous 1996 Brit Awards,

I thought Pulp were quite well known throughout Europe, and in Japan, if not elsewhere. Does anyone concur? 217.155.20.163 20:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * They are definitely known in France. Not as much as Oasis of course but anyone interested in that scene will know them.
 * Pulp are rather known in the United States - largely due to Modern Rock airplay of "Babies" in 1994, "Common People", "Disco 2000" and "Sorted for E's & Wizz" in 1995/96. Although none of these songs charted on the US Modern Rock Tracks chart. Doc Strange (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Godawful hyphenitis
What is it with the hypens in Para 2? Is that someone trying to be parodic, do you think?

Former band name- Was the former Band name not "Arabicus Pulp" instead of "Arabacus Pulp" ?? Tim

Richard Hawley
That article indicates that he played with Pulp (as part of a touring band) - should he be mentioned here ? -- Beardo 21:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Wham?!
Pulp continued to seek commercial success, even to the point of recording a single, Everybody's Problem c/w There Was (released in September 1983 on Red Rhino records) in the style of the then prevalent pop-group Wham!.

Were they actually trying to sound like Wham!, or just ape their success? I've heard "Everybody's Problem" and it sounds absolutely nothing like any of Wham!'s well-known songs. 217.34.39.123 11:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it was an attempt to write an upbeat, poppy, commercial song in the style of Wham!. It isn't a very successful attempt, but if you compare it to the preceding It album it's a very marked change in style. 81.104.160.179 03:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a video interview where Jarvis says that their (Pulp's) current manager had asked them to make a song like a Wham song, and that this was the best he could do. Does anyone know where this article can be found? Mister B. 02:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

if Pulp are known beyond the UK...
...it is perhaps more likely the result of Cocker's prank at the infamous 1996 Brit Awards, where he invaded the stage in protest during Michael Jackson's performance.

Really? The Brits aren't famous outside of the UK, why would that event be famous? Damiancorrigan 02:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Because Michael Jackson is. 81.104.160.179 03:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but I'd like to see a foreign news report first. Currently, this is speculation, it needs a citation note. Damiancorrigan 13:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The Michael Jackson incident was certainly reported internationally. See this for example which discusses Pulp's level of success in America and the impact of Cocker's stage invasion.--Michig 13:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, but that article also suggests they are famous for more than the MJ incident. I'll accept that the MJ incident was reported internationally, but I think it is speculative to say the band is MORE famous for that. Even if that incident was famous at the time, few (except people who know the music of Pulp) would remember his name. I'd bet there are more genuine Pulp fans internationally than there are people who remember WHO invaded the stage during MJ's performance. And whether I'm right or not, it's definitely all speculation. Damiancorrigan 20:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In any case, this would be the kind of thing that would be more at home in Jarvis Cocker, surely? Sachabrunel 11:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Frankly I know Pulp since Common people which was aired on radio in France and I have never heard of this Michael Jacksion thing —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesus2099 (talk • contribs) 08:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Official Site
http://www.pulponline.com is not the band's official site (at least not any more). I can't say that I know what to replace it with. George C 17:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

After a scan of the web, it would appear that Pulp no longer has an official site. While this is a sad day for those of us who pray for a reunion, it is not all that unexpected.Mister B. (talk) 02:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The pulponline.com URL no longer works, but all of the content is still online and working at the fan club's old URL, http://www.pulppeople.plus.com/ 90.201.136.74 (talk) 15:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

re
ref: http://www.acrylicafternoons.com/mojo02.html Prylon (talk) 03:23, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

genre
Come on, guys, This is ALTERNATIVE DANCE for sure. Just listen to HITS, 2002; and you know what I mean. Secondly, alternative dance combines elements of pop, alternative rock, rock and britpop even... so, what's the deal with alt. dance? it's their genre, no doubt! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.131.42 (talk) 19:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

no chance boyo. alternative dance is Saint Etienne (band). it bears only a litle resemblance - it's not valid Prylon (talk) 02:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)