Talk:Pump (album)

2001 version?
How can you tell if you got the 2001 remaster? Normally the case or CD would include the year of the reissue and the original year, but the CD I got only has a sticker on the wrapper that said it was 96k / 24-bit remastered. Aren't all old albums "remastered" the first time they are put onto CD already? -- blm07 17:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

track listing
In article I read that "Janie's Got a Gun" is a single form "Pump" album. But it's not listed on track list. And when you click on French version of this article you can see that there are 14 tracks on this album not 10. Can someone make that clear, please? Aradek 09:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The French version is incorrect. There are only 10 tracks on this album, and some tracks are actually two parts. Janie's Got a Gun is the second part of track 5. -- blm07 17:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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Q? METAL?
Q keeps using the phrase "heavy metal", but it does not mean what they think it means, as in this passage "At a time when young guns from Mötley Crüe to Poison were doing their level best to hoist the HEAVY METAL crown from the likes of Def Leppard and Bon Jovi," noted Q, "it took a bunch of hoary, addled old stagers like Aerosmith to come up with the year's best METAL album." The only band mentioned here, to include Aerosmith, that even comes close to being "heavy metal" is Motley Crue and "Pump" is nowhere near a "metal album" People like this (at Q) probably think that Jethro Tull is metal too. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 14:29, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia uses what independent reliable sources say, not editors' opinions. If independent reliable sources said that Pump is a cheese sandwich, Wikipedia should say that Pump is a cheese sandwich. Otherwise, everything becomes an argument: Is the Earth spherical or flat? Is B12 a necessary nutrient or meat-eater conspiracy? Is Heavy Metal Grammy winner Jethro Tull heavy metal or lounge rock? The answers to all of these questions are solved by WP:V.


 * In this case, Rolling Stone says this album is heavy metal. Rolling Stone is a reliable source. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 15:19, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@SummerPhD - yes, I'm well aware how wikipedia works, thanks though. My beef is with Q, not the editor that posted the quote, or wikipedia. That's why I put my comment in "Talk" rather than on the page or deleting the quote. Is that not what "Talk" is for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FiggazWithAttitude (talk • contribs) 15:51, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Article talk pages are for discussing improvements to the associated articles. This article says the album is heavy metal and cites Rolling Stone. If Q agrees with that, I'm not seeing anything to change in the article. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 16:50, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Let's just keep repeating ourselves, shall we? To quote Monty Python, "I didn't come here for an argument".

Would it not improve the article by removing some windbag's opinion that is incorrect, whether it be in published magazine or not? What if the author of the review in "Q" later ran a retraction?

Do we really need these cookie cutter labels like heavy metal & metal? (See the Simpsons controversy when they labeled Judas Priest as "death metal".) Also, please take some time when reading, save yourself some embarrassment. The passage that I quoted in no way cites Rolling Stone, it cites "Q" 20. ^ Q, January 1990. "Q" is a magazine https://www.qthemusic.com/. "Q" (nor Rolling Stone) has a lock on what is or is not heavy metal.

I honestly don't give two bowel movements what happens to the article, this isn't worth my time. Not that big a fan of Aerosmith, Q or Rolling Stone magazine, or you. So please, move along now and go bother someone else. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 17:36, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Civility is not optional here.


 * Yes, in general Wikipedia does list genres. If you feel we should not, you will need to establish more than a local consensus to change that.


 * Yes, Wikipedia uses reliable sources for what those genres are. Q and Rolling Stone are reliable sources for genre. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 23:28, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * How about Biggie Smalls and Whitney Houston being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Can we now label all of their works as "Rock and Roll" in Wikipedia? If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame says that it is so, then it surely must be so! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 19:22, 14 February 2020 (UTC)