Talk:Pumpkin pie

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Uhm, is this original research or do you have citations? :-) Ronabop 01:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Opposed due to the needless slaughter of pumpkins. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Look, I don't know where you came from, or what your agenda is, but your clear "distaste" for "slaughter" of this vile weed indicates a clear POV in this matter. I suggest you abstain from this debate, for, oh, 20 -30 seconds.


 * You vile, evil, Pumpkin killing bastard. What next, pimping pumpkin for crack?


 * Beating pumpkin so you can get to "pie"? Ronabop 13:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I find your remarks typical of the Pumpkin Pie Cabal that exists here on Wikipedia to further the extreme aims of Pumpkinism. You are without doubt a sockpuppet of User:PUMPKIN PIES ARE YOUR FRIENDS (CABAL) THAT EXISTS ON WIKIPEDIA TO FURTHER THE EXTREME AIMS OF PUMPKINISM. If you persist in stalking me I will be forced to file a AfD, RfC and RfA on you. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 19:45, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

LOL? Ugh, I wish people would start using Alt or something instead of sockpuppet. Seriously, that word is just nasty. 17:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC) Someone's Alt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.228.52.221 (talk)

A 19th C. writer (I can't trace the source of the quotation, sorry) said that Boiled Pumkin has no discernable flavor of it's own, and the only things making the pie edible were a liberal use of butter, sugar, and spices. He suggested it would be more truthful to call it a "Butter and Cinnamon Pie" Saxophobia 04:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Origins
American colonists sliced off pumpkin tops; removed seeds and filled the insides with milk, spices and honey. This was baked in hot ashes and is the origin of pumpkin pie.

This seems especially speculative. Is there a source for this? Pumpkins were already common in Europe at least a decade before any of the permanent British colonies were established (and may have been even before Columbus - see my comment about that on the "Pumpkin" talk page). Pumpkin pie has a fairly long history in England, too (much like apple pie); although, there it appears to traditionally be a two-crust pie made with sliced pumpkin. In light of that, the statement really ought to at least be qualified by "some researchers bleieve," or somesuch, unless there is hard evidence. -GSwift 22:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Concur. I have a cookery book that locates the origin of pumpkin pies in East Anglia, and gives what it claims is a traditional English pumpkin pie recipe; it's an open-topped thing very similar to the modern American type, the main difference being that it includes dried fruit, no ginger, and much less sugar.  I'm hardly going to cite a cookery book as an authoritative source, of course, but it seems plausible.
 * We certainly should not write "some researchers believe", by the way. That's not verifiable.  We can only make claims like that in articles if we can identify which researchers believe it.  The colonists story formerly in the article sounds more like folk-myth to me. &mdash; Haeleth Talk 12:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ummm. why is the pumpkin pie article listed as a porn-stub?

Maple Syrup?
"'... although in parts of Canada, fans insist on accompanying pumpkin pie only with maple syrup.'"

Can anyone confirm this? I'm Canadian, and I enjoy my pumpkin pie with (a whole lot of) whipped cream, couldn't imagine it any other way. Am I just from the wrong part of Canada? I wouldn't at all be surprised if it's indeed true though, some people go absolutely crazy over the sticky stuff up here. 156.34.178.98 00:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair point on the abundance of maple syrup fanaticism, and I wouldn't be surprised if border states in the U.S. (like Minnesota) also have people pouring syrup on there pies on Thanksgiving, but there needs to be some citation as to the truth of that statement (beyond the obvious: "My family, who happens to be Canadian, LOVES maple syrup on our pumpkin pie:D") Cybertooth85 19:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

We often have pumpkin pie at Halloween too. So the Season seems earlier than Thanksgiving to me. (and I do find pumpkin pack rather than pumpkin pie cans on the shelves year round- be careful of the difference, one is only pumpkin the other has spices, etc.

98.207.230.186 (talk) 20:22, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Seasonal?
Apparently (according to my mom) a lot of grocery stores have canned pumpkin year round. I guess they sort of stick it some place where people don't look. After the season I'll check, but would that be considered original research?Doregasm 05:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I doubt anyone would object; it would be a claim that a very large proportion of Wikipedia users could trivially check for themselves simply by going into a store and asking. It's always better if a published reference can be cited, of course, but we don't have a reference for the claim that it's seasonal either, so it's not like the article would be becoming less reliable!
 * Just wondering whether it might be possible to find a reference, though... might there be large grocery chains that issue catalogs or stock lists or something like that? &mdash; Haeleth Talk 12:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Recipe
It is crazy that this article does not cover how to actually make a pie from scratch from pumpkins -- but that is the WP tradition.

It is very true that not only do most ordinary people in the US make their pies from a can, but they also use the recipe on the can. This is the recipie on the can of One-Pie Pumpkin 15 oz UPC 41564 12346 (Ingredients: prepared pumpkin) (One Pie Canning Co., W. Paris, Maine 04289):

New England Pumpkin Pie

* 1 can ONE-PIE Pumpkin * 1 Tbsp. Cornstarch * 1/2 tsp. Cinnamon * 1/2 tsp. Ginger * 1/2 tsp. Nutmeg * 1/2 tsp. Salt (scant) * 1 1/2 Tbsp. Butter (melted) * 1 1/2 cups Milk or 1-12 oz. can Evaporated Milk * 1 cup Sugar * 1/8 cup Molasses * 2 Eggs (beaten)

Sift Sugar, Cornstarch, Salt, Cinnamon, Ginger, and Nutmeg together. Mix this with contents of one can ONE-PIE Pumpkin. Add Eggs, beaten, Melted Butter, Molasses, and Milk. Add a dash of Lemon Juice (if desired). Line a 9-inch pie plate, pour in contents. Preheat oven and bake at 450 deg. F for 15 minutes. Then reduce temperature to 350 deg. F and continue to bake for 50 minutes.  -69.87.203.194 (talk) 00:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Pumpkin vs. Squash
The article glosses over the issue of cans of "pumpkin" actually containing squash. It may be true that most of the cans of "pumpkin" sold in the US contain mush made from a squash that did not look like the pumpkins that the buyer has in mind. It would be great if the article could pin down the truth of what is in the cans, and what the relevant food labeling regulations in the US are. -69.87.203.194 (talk) 00:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Pumpkins are squash.--Planetjanet (talk) 04:31, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe the issue is that most canned pumpkin is made from varieties like butternut or Dickinson, and not the traditional jack-o-lantern varieties like Connecticut field. The rumor, as it tends to be carried by media outlets, is "canned pumpkin isn't pumpkin", which I suppose is true when you consider that there's no formal agricultural definition of "pumpkin" and thus anything could be interpreted to not be made of it. Ibadibam (talk) 05:17, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Triumph of pomposity
I'm impressed by the 'citation needed' on the statement about the possibility of making miniature pumpkin tarts. I wonder exactly what kind of citation would satisfy whichever monumental pedant added it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.53.56.45 (talk) 19:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Main picture looks like an ad for Libby's canned pumpkin
yeah.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.13.72.28 (talk) 09:48, 22 November 2016 (UTC)