Talk:Punch-Out!!

Tyson
"Tyson was removed from the re-release of the game and replaced with Mr. Dream because his contract expired." Really? I was under the impression (which seems pretty plausible) that he was taken out because of the whole sexual assault business Casey J. Morris (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * seems unlikely, the date given for the release of the Mr dream version in the main punchout article prdates the date given for the rape case in the Tyson article by almost a year. Unless there is some delebrate deception it would have been impossibe for Nintendo to have known about the rape at that time. --76.69.166.252 (talk) 03:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Bear Hugger a lumberjack?
"Bear Hugger, first appeared in the Super Punch-Out!! arcade. His appearance resembles a Canadian lumberjack." Since Bear Hugger is from Saskatchewan, a province in the Canadian Prairies which are grasslands and have little in the way of forests, it is highly unlikely that Bear is a lumberjack. I'm removing this reference since it's a projection of an inaccurate stereotype. It's unsourced anyway. --Thaddius (talk) 15:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * But Punch-Out is full of obvious ethnic stereotypes. what makes you think they would be so careful about the geography?  Keep in mind, this is a game that features a boxer named "Pizza Pasta" Casey J. Morris (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Super Punchout had so many stereotypical characters that it's almost laughable that you spent time deleting this 68.181.253.45 (talk) 08:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The Wii game cites him as being from Salmon Arm, BC, not Saskatchewan. --75.216.221.236 (talk) 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

He is a Canadian lumberjack, BC has a lot of lumberjacks-- Matematx  22:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matematx (talk • contribs)

Duplicate article?
Do you know there is a List of characters in the Punch-Out!! series that is very much the same as this article? MuZemike (talk) 01:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I merged that here, and the merge was reverted. And it's not the same as this article - it only covers characters, while this covers Punch-Out!! in other media, and has the set-up to discuss the gameplay and reception. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So the previous article should be redirected here? I'm just asking because we do not need two articles on exactly the same thing. If that's the case, then the previous move (from here) should be reverted back; hopefully a revert war does not result, in which WP:DR would be necessary. MuZemike (talk) 00:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Added more info from previous boxer list and reformatted page
I agree with much of the previously deleted strategy info regarding how to play the game, defeat the boxer and detailed specifics of the boxing game play. However since this is a section about fictional boxers (and not characters from an RPG game or a movie or something), some reference to the boxers fighting style, signature maneuvers, mannerisms and difficulty should still be referenced in some way (which I have done). Also fixed minor errors as in Piston Honda/Hurricane mix-up. Characters were given their own sub links as they are referenced and linked to on various other articles in Wikipedia and not having any name specific sub pages breaks all of these links. Lastly I moved the Video Games box to the top, as it is the most important, and added various game titles to the intro text as having 'Arm Wrestling' as the only specific linked game in the text isn't very accurate as to the most important games in the series.User:Ramshackle Man (talk) 09:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see why people think that being fictional boxers require us to cover them as if they were real boxers. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 17:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Puncht Out is also a technical term related to a specific function of procurement systems that allows them to work with eCommerce websites.
''' Punchout is also an eCommerce industry term and should have it's own page. ''' I believe that it is important that a new page is created to talk about the technical eCommerce term Punchout and related terms such as Roundtrip, Tapout, etc.

Punchout and the aforementioned terms define a specific segement of eCommerce technology which allows procurement applications (such as Ariba) to communicate with eCommerce websites for the purpose of integrating legacy eCommerce sites to the eProcurement workflow instrinsic to spend management / procurement applications.

This is a fairly complicated and misunderstood technology. Many suppliers who are introduced to the term are hardpressed to understand the concept. Wikipedia can help that.

Svn9low (talk) 03:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC) Joshua


 * Uhmm, then go ahead and make the page, no one's stopping you. There's already a Punch-Out disambig page [], so just add the new article to there when you're done. Really there was no need to put this on the talk page of the video game.24.190.34.219 (talk) 19:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Name change
Since this article is about the series. I propose it's name be changed to Punch-Out!! (series). Any thoughts? Rhonin the wizard (talk) 17:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Look up Fire Emblem. Parrothead1983 (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, actually it makes no difference if another page does it one way because they could be doing it wrong. Generally, if more than one article shares a name, the one with the most notability gets the default naming with the rest being distinguished. Frankly, I don't think it really matters for Punch-Out!! So name it however24.190.34.219 (talk) 19:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Disco Kid
On my Wii console, I saw a new teaser trailer for the upcoming Wii version on the Nintendo Channel, and the unnamed fighter on the boxart is referred to as "Disco Kid". However, it's listed as a "Nintendo Channel exclusive", which likely means it hasn't been posted elsewhere yet. In any case, this is where I saw it, and so I cited it the best way I could. Brittany Ka (talk) 18:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

SNES Super Punch-Out!!'s protagonist
According to the download details for the SNES Super Punch-Out!! in the Wii Shop Channel, the protagonist is referred to as Little Mac, but not anything like "the main character". Here are the details:

Featuring the tight game play and humor the series is known for, this sequel to the NES classic sees Little Mac return to the ring with the World Video Boxing Association belt once again at stake. Slug your way through the grueling, sweat-pounding matches of the Minor, Major and World Circuits as you face of against some of Little Mac's greatest rivals like Bear Hugger, Bald Bull, and Super Macho Man. With a cast of new challengers waiting, do you have what it takes to identify their unique patterns and exploit their weaknesses? Go to your corner, and come out fighting, but remember what Doc Louis would say, "It's not about brawling---it's about finesse!"

However, in the Operations Guide for the game, he was referred to as "the main character", but this is probably using technological speech. Perhaps this is a retcon. Parrothead1983 (talk) 06:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This interview sounds reliable, but not from anyone who works for Next Level Games or any other developer that's not Nintendo. Even though he said they researched the entire Punch-Out!! series, the answer to who is "they" is either just Next Level Games or both them and Nintendo. Also, their researching of every (or nearly every) Punch-Out!! information they can find most likely happened before the Virtual Console release of the SNES Super Punch-Out!!, which confirmed that the protagonist is Little Mac.  Bryan Holliday sounds more like a fan of the Punch-Out!! series (especially the ever-popular NES versions) that asked Nintendo if he and Next Level Games would like to help develop a Punch-Out!! Wii game, since video game developers, like movie producers, are running out of ideas and going back to old-school classics to make new games and movies based on them.  It would of been better if Genyo Takeda (Punch-Out!! series creator) or anyone of the original Punch-Out!! series staff (especially those who developed the SNES version) was in the same interview and said if the SNES boxer is Little Mac or not.  Parrothead1983 (talk) 05:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Just Nintendo of America getting their facts out of order. Move along. 208.101.158.196 (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's more like a ret-con but whatever...24.190.34.219 (talk) 19:55, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Soda Popinski
Just wondering, could someone get a reference on the confirmation of Soda Popinski? It's checked that he is in Punch-Out!! for the Wii, but where has it been said that he will be in that game? - Smashman202 (talk) 02:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm all for using the game itself as a reference. Soda Popinski is the second opponent in the World Circuit for the Wii game. --75.216.221.236 (talk) 18:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Galleries
Might as well make use of the talk page for this instead of continuing the edit war. I'm against it, as it's completely unnecessary, and looks incredibly unprofessional. --Evildevil (talk) 03:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Likewise! Thanks! Fin©™ 08:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I concur; pointless and trivial. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Glass Joe's one win.
How could Glass Joe have beaten Nick Bruiser? Nick's record is 42-0, according to Super P-O! Maetch (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That use of the name Glass Joe in the fastest knockout list was almost certinly used a joke reference and not an indication that Glass Joe actually defeted Nick Bruiser. --70.24.183.58 (talk) 21:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Glass Joe's win happened AFTER the events of Super Punch-Out, even though it states Glass Joe's win in Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. 66.72.205.158 (talk) 18:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC) He beat Von Kaiser, actually.Regi999 (talk) 00:21, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Aran Ryan is in Wii
I added Aran Ryan as being in the Wii game, with a source to a french trailer. While his name is not mentioned in it, it seems to look like him, and it's agreed across various other websites that it is him. If anyone objects to putting him up as confirmed, please let me know as to why exactly. I won't stop anyone, but I'd like to know... --Evildevil (talk) 23:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

That's because he is I just played the game-- Matematx  11:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matematx (talk • contribs)

You can fight against Doc Louis...
Nintendo just announced their Club Nintendo awards, and Platinum members can download (I assume it's a WiiWare thing) called "Doc Louis' Punch Out" which is just a one-on-one bout between Little Mac and Doc Louis. (www.nintendo.com)

In truth I'm not sure how to source this. It's technically not part of Punch-Out Wii, but a separate title even though it builds off the Punch Out engine. But, how to add it to the chart. If we add Doc Louis we'd have to a)distinguish the games hes a fighter and he's not, and b) distinguish "punch-out wii" and "doc louis' punch out".24.190.34.219 (talk) 15:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Added him, with only Punch-Out Wii checked. There's a note above his NES X saying he was Little Mac's coach in the NES and Wii version, and a note above his Wii check saying he "is only challengeable as a fighter in Doc Louis' Punch-Out!!, a WiiWare download exclusive to 2009 Club Nintendo Platinum members. Though, technically a stand-alone title, it only features one bout between Little Mac and Doc Louis and utilizes Punch-Out!! (Wii)'s game engine". Also renamed the character table to the fighter table to distinguish between non-fighting appearances. Added source, www.club.nintendo.com24.190.34.219 (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

A few things about Doc Louis's Punch-Out!!!
First, the title is actually Doc Louis's Punch-Out!! not Doc Louis' Punch-Out!!. I know the official title is grammatically incorrect with Louis's instead of Louis', but all the listings on www.club.nintendo.com list it as such, so please stop correcting this.

Second, do not make a whole new line to the table just for Doc Louis's Punch-Out!!. It has been confirmed to only be one bout between Little Mac and Doc Louis. Yes, it is a stand-alone WiiWare title, but in terms of the layout of the article it makes more sense to list it under the Wii title, with a note explaining the circumstance (like it currently is in the article).24.190.34.219 (talk) 23:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Jerome?
I was curious about where Doc Louis's first name originated from. To my knowledge I've never seen any official material reveal his first name. Does anybody know? Wariofan63 (talk) 00:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Completely incomprehensible sentence
"Along with that, the protagonist of the SNES version of Super Punch-Out!! appears as a secret boxer in full 3D with the name "MAC" on his boxers and was referred to as "Little Mac" as part of the Nintendo-exclusives deal between Nintendo and EA in allowing a few characters from the Mario franchise to star in NBA Street V3 and SSX on Tour, but, due to the third-party nature of his role in the game, while originally being a nameable character with a different look compared to the original Little Mac and not have a default name, it is considered by several fans of the series, especially those of the NES versions, to be uncanon; however, when the Virtual Console release of the Super NES version of Super Punch-Out!! was released, the official details for the game in the Wii Shop Channel referred to the protagonist as "Little Mac"."

This sentence is not only MASSIVE, spanning four or five lines without any full stops, but I have absolutely no idea what in the world it is trying to say. Little Mac was in a game because EA was allowed to use Mario characters? Huh?? What does this mean?? 174.1.50.249 (talk) 00:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of Punch-Out!! characters
This character list, as a set, is not independently notable from the main series. (In fact the series article exists to cover ground such as this...) The refs don't go into any depth on the characters as a series and note that many citations are repeats. The characters don't need more than a sentence or two description in the #Characters section of this main article. czar 23:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose: I don't get this one. Many of the characters in here have plenty of coverage, be it reviews, listicles or otherwise. In fact, there's a couple of articles cited in the article that actually does cover multiple characters as a set (which is not even a requirement in the first place, I may add), such as this and this. Those, along with the reviews and listicles, are easily enough to pass WP:GNG. You should specify why they don't need more than a "sentence or two" in the main article, at least. Just because you think they don't "need" it, doesn't mean they necessarily have to be merged. Kokoro20 (talk) 13:17, 9 August 2016 (UTC)