Talk:Punchscan

Really dark
The mathematics is not accordance with normal set theory or vector algebra. According to the definitions, it should hold that:

$$R = P_1 + P_2 + P_3\bmod 2\ = \{0,1\}+ \{0,1\}+ \{0,1\}  = \{0,1\}$$

But, that this may reflect "the result of a ballot", seems to be without any sense.

Even the meaning of

$$P_3\bmod 2\ $$

where:

$$P_3=\{0,1\}=\{\mbox{1st},\mbox{2nd}\}\,$$

is dull. Is the value of it:

$$P_3\bmod 2\ = \{0,1\}$$

??? Why is the expression interesting at all?

If this opacity is due to some special notation, there must be a reference to the syntax and semantics. My training in math goes far beyond high school level. Nevertheless, the section "Tabulation procedure" is completely odd. I may perhaps decipher the meaning (using function notation from set theory). But, I should not have to reconstruct the probable meaning. Nor, should I read the references to grasp the meaning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.189.10.100 (talk) 11:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
I copied the webpage text as a starting point, but I have since modified it to not reflect copyrighted material. It will be adding information over the next few days. In its present state, it fails the copyright prong of the criteria for SD.

As for the advertising prong, the criteria states: "Note that simply having a company, product, group, service or person as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion." In its present state, the article does not go further than this.

As for notability, other cryptographic voting systems have articles, such as ThreeBallot which has had no major media coverage. Punchscan has been covered by the BBC and IEEE Spectrum. --Pulpspy 22:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm taking off the copyright dispute tag since it no longer applies. --Primepq 23:27 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Still a notability issue.  See also WP:INN. -- Butseriouslyfolks 23:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * "A topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself." BBC World Service: circ 163 million. IEEE Spectrum: circ 380,000. Both are non-trival, reliable, and independent news sources. Not to mention the blogosphere coverage via Slashdot, Engadget, etc. And there was a presentation at this year's CRYPTO rump session, as well as multiple papers at last year's WOTE conference. --74.101.45.249 03:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm taking down the spam tag on the grounds that the references provided constitute notability. Primepq 06:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this a VVPAT system?
The VVPAT page says:

"Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT) or Verified Paper Record (VPR) is a method of providing feedback to voters using a ballotless voting system, including a direct recording electronic voting system (DRE), to assure voters that their votes have been recorded as intended."

But, this is clearly not a ballotless system. Also, claiming it is VVPAT is confusing, as there is a lot of literature about the poor security properties such systems and this one clearly does not have any of the same issues or properties. --Toshardin 17:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that I was wrong to call it a vvpat system. I replaced the reference. However the vvpat page still talks about cryptographic systems (Punchscan, ThreeBallot, etc). I'm not sure what to do with that page--it should perhaps be forked into separate articles. --Pulpspy 20:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears that mention of the cryptographic systems needs to be fixed, while some of them even *look like* VVPAT they are completely different. --Toshardin 21:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)