Talk:Punk rock in California

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Angry Samoans were not from S.F.
Regarding the section "1976–1980;" it lists the Angry Samoans among the San Francisco bands. The Angry Samoans were from the L.A. area. Somebody should change this. I'd do it, but I'd probably do it wrong and then it would be changed back. That's what usually happens with my changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.219.204 (talk) 20:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Angry Samoans were not from S.F.
I can confirm that Angry Samoans where not from San Francisco because my old band (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_(band)) played with them several times and we never left the Los Angeles area...that makes no at all and there is no way to prove if the band at the time was touring... Anyhow, their Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_Samoans says they are from Los Angeles!!!

Needs rewriting
The content in this article is reasonable, but it's appaulingly writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.248.195 (talk) 12:02, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As is that sentence.Trackinfo (talk) 03:42, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

History: Diverse punk rock artist and groups/Queercore/Nardcore sections
Good grief! These sections were added in with total disregard for the existing timeline structure in the history section, and that part of the article is now in need of serious cleanup. I do wish new editors would pay mind to such things rather than doing info dumps just whereever.

First off, it looks like the "Diversity" and "Queercore" were part of a WikiEdu student contribution. It's valuable content, but I wish it had been incorporated into the existing timeline - I will break this off into it's own section until that can be done.

"Nardcore" is a dump of a reverted article - some of the content would work in the 1980-1986 section, but as it stands, creates undue weight about this small scene in the context of the larger article. This much content on this specialized of a subject actually should be its own article, or barring that, much of the content should be tossed, since it's disproportionate here. Peter G Werner (talk) 18:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * There was a separate article about Nardcore. After a discussion, it was deleted in favor of merging the content into this article.  I argued against it but a bunch of people who know little to nothing about the subject made the decision to move it.  Now I am firmly against trimming or removing details of the content, but this is the home it was forced into.  Quoting the discussion, there is not prejudice against recreation if there are "better sources."  I already argued about the nature of the existing sources.  Another IP account referred to these editors in a better term I better not quote.Trackinfo (talk) 19:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Cleanup needed!
This article has become *hugely* weighted down by fan cruft and example farming. Basically, numerous drive-by edits in which individuals feel the need to make sure their favorite band, club, or regional scene receives prominent mention, regardless of that thing's relative importance or notability. So we end up with utterly ridculous sentences like:

"It primarily consists of (but is not limited to) bands from the Los Angeles, Orange County, Ventura County, San Diego, San Fernando Valley, San Francisco, Fresno, Bakersfield, Alameda County, Sacramento, Lake Tahoe, Oakland and Berkeley areas."

"Among these bands were the Germs, the Flesh Eaters, the Weirdos, the Controllers, the Deadbeats, the Skulls, the Angry Samoans, Agent Orange, the Dils, Black Randy and the Metrosquad, Catholic Discipline, the Go-Go's, the Alley Cats, Kommunity FK, the Screamers, the Dickies, X, the Zeros, the Bags, the Plugz, the Consumers, and their successors, 45 Grave Many bands also formed in the San Francisco Bay, including Crime, the Avengers, the Nuns, the Mutants, the Units, Flipper, Negative Trend, the Offs and the Dead Kennedys."

Good grief!!! Obviously, this needs to be trimmed down to a few notable examples for each section, and at the appropriate place in the timeline.

The material on "Nardcore" is a particular problem, because that came out of a motion to delete (see Articles for deletion/Nardcore) who's consensus was to merge the material into this article, creating the issue that now this article contains detailed discussion of the Oxnard punk scene *way* out of proportion to its actual historical importance.

There's also an excessively detailed list of California punk clubs that might even be spun off into its own "list of" article. I also think the inclusion of photos is unnecessary, especially considering that practically none of the photos is actually of the clubs when they were actually active, but photos of those locations today, which is of questionable informational value.

Finally, there's the long-standing issue of lack of references in this article. There's a whole library of books about the historical punk scenes in both Northern and Southern California, not to mention journalistic sources, which would actually be verifiable sources for many of the claims made, or serve as correctives to errors that may have found there way in. It would serve this article well if folks with access to these books were to give this article a thorough fact-check. Peter G Werner (talk) 17:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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