Talk:Purdue University/Archive 1

Article Overhaul
I'm working on a full overhaul for the entire article. I plan to totally reorganize the article, to bring it into alignment with articles on other peer instituions, as well as improve on those models. I will be deleteing some of the current sections and adding many new ones, preserving much of the work that has already been done. Acaides 02:07, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I removed the reference to Purdue Pete as a mascot in the table at the top of the article. The boilermaker special is the offical mascot, but there are many other mascots / logos associated with the university, and because they all cannot be listed in the table, only the official mascot should be listed. I am working on a new section (Traditions and legends) that will fully present all of the mascots of Purdue and much more. Acaides 04:20, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * i live in lafayette and around here Purdue Pete is the 'mascot', he is at all football and basketball games. the train(boilermaker special) is not. PETE should be included as he is embraced by the community as the 'mascot',if you were to ask 50 purdue students probably 40 of them would say 'PETE',5 wouldnt know,3 would say the Train and the other 2 would say that a 'boilermaker' is a beer with a shot in it. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otis66Driftwood (talk • contribs) 6 June 2007
 * Today I discovered that there are two other Wikipedia articles, Purdue Boilermakers and Boilermaker Special, that deal with Purdue. After reading though these articles, both of which are arguably stubs, I think they need to be removed from Wikipedia. The content of both articles will be covered and expanded upon in this article after the overhaul is complete. I will wait until the overhaul here is complete before putting these pages up for a vote on deletion. Acaides 02:50, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * After more research and writing, I think it would be best if the boilermaker special retained a seperate article, as there is a great deal of information available on the subject that doesnt really fit into the Purdue University article. The other article should still go. Acaides 03:10, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * This is an article about Purdue University's West Lafayette campus, judging by mascot and colors. (IPFW's mascot is the Mastodon after one was found in northeastern Indiana shortly after the founding of the joint Fort Wayne campus by a team of geology professors.  IPFW's colors are blue and white, not gold and black.  IUPUI's mascot is the jaguar.  IUPUI's colors are gold and crimson.)  No wait!  This article is about the Purdue University Statewide system, judging by number of acres and number of students.  As part of the overhaul, please have one Wiki page about the West Lafayette campus (that gets the total number of students/faculty/acres correct for that one campus in the summary box) and then have another Wiki page for the Purdue University statewide.  This ought to help with the 32KB limit as well. optikos
 * I agree that there needs to be some thought put into how we adress Purdue University the system vs Purdue University the main campus. Anyone have any other ideas?acaides 00:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The Purdue West Lafayette's mascot is "the boilermaker", a reference to early athletes at Purdue also working to make money at a local steam boiler factory. As such, a person who makes boilers is the mascot of Purdue, not a mere machine:  the Boilermaker Special.  In fact, they go together.  One cannot depict a boilermaker unless one shows a steam boiler that that craftsman/engineer/technician made.  Otherwise Purdue Pete is merely some buffed muscular guy carrying some sort of hammer for some unknown reason.  The Boilermaker Special is intended to portray the steam boiler within a steam-powered railroad engine that Purdue Pete made as a boilermaker.  It is not the Purdue Steam Engines.  It is not the Purdue Locomotives.  It is the Purdue BoilerMAKERS, with the MAKERS emphasized:  a person who makes steam boilers.  That person is Purdue Pete!  Purdue Pete is the mascot of the West Lafayette campus. optikos
 * The official mascot of Purdue University (WL anyway) is The Boilermaker Special, period. Not "the boilermaker' All the other characters (Pete, Rowdy, etc.) are just supplementary. acaides 00:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * When did this mascot change? The Boilermaker Special is a post-WWII introduction, but the  Purdue BoilerMAKERS (as people) reference goes back to the nineteenth century. Optikos 13:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * An attempt to referee this discussion: The Purdue athletic team name (not mascot) is the Boilermakers (plural). A (singular) Boilermaker is (among other uses) a slang term for a person associated with Purdue. And as stated by acaides, The Boilermaker Special is the one and only official university mascot. Engineer Bob 06:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC) (BSEE 75)
 * Re the original question, I think this article should start with a brief overview of the statewide Purdue University system, with concise links to the other schools, and then focus on the original West Lafayette campus. The biggest issue to be resolved is: which data goes in the infobox? Since each of the other campuses will (or should) have its own infobox, I'd put the main campus data here, with the grand totals (enrollment and anything else relevant) in the opening text as appropriate. Engineer Bob 06:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * As I proposed before, this article needs to focus on either the Purdue University System as a whole (and de-emphasize its WestLafayette-centric bias) or the Purdue University West Lafayette campus alone (so that a separate article goes into comparable systemwide details, freeing this article of its multiple personality disorder). Furthermore, there has been past criticism that this article is too long.  To solve the former problem and to chip away a little at the latter problem, I have enacted a split of this article into two articles:  this one for the West Lafayette main campus and the "Purdue University System" for addressing the rest of the Purdue University statewide presence.  I think that you all will see that the two articles discuss different topics from different perspectives, now without multiple personality disorder.  Although the North Central and Calumet campuses are quite subordinate to the West Lafayette campus (e.g., school colors, substantial lack of academic independence), the IPFW, IUPUI, and IUPUC campuses are much more separate from the main campus in multiple ways (even though IPFW is budgetarily a unit of Purdue University).  Note for example that both IPFW and IUPUI have Division I NCAA sports programs that are peers with the West Lafayette campus and have their own school colors that are distinct from the main campuses.  (Indeed, note that Indiana University considers IUPUI itself to be a core/main campus in the Indiana University System.)  Check the NCAA Division I report-query webpages http://web1.ncaa.org/ssLists/orgInfo.do?orgID=308 and http://web1.ncaa.org/ssLists/orgInfo.do?orgID=2699 if in doubt of the NCAA Division I fact.  optikos 14:26 02 January 2006 (CST)
 * I'm supportive of this split; there's a good example at University of California, with all of its constituent campuses having separate articles. I agree that the current "Purdue University" article name should be retained for the original/main campus, with the system-wide material moved to "Purdue University System" and prominently linked in the introduction to the main campus article. Engineer Bob 20:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Introduction and History
I'm starting by reworking the introduction and greatly expanding the history section. I have added new subsections to the history section: Founding, Early years and expansion, and Aviation. There is a lot of new content here that I have collected from various university sources. I have included a very detailed account of Purdue's history in avaition because I feel it is an important part of the bigger presentation of the University as a whole. In the future, I think it would be nice to include more details about the history of other departments / communities. Acaides 02:07, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) Aviation doesn't belong in the introduction of a Purdue University wiki page. Purdue is best known for and was founded in order to promote the study of engineering - not aviation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.56.193.243 (talk • contribs)
 * I added a picture I found on ftp.purdue.edu of Earhart with the plane Purdue helped fund. Acaides 04:06, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I decided to consolidate the Founding subsection of history with the Early years and expansion subsection. Acaides 20:22, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Agriculture and engineering, to be precise, but your point is well taken. Aviation is an important part of Purdue's history but not the only part. MaxVeers 00:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There is just TOO MUCH mention of aviation in the History section. It needs a major cleanup. It makes look Purdue like an aviation school, and as if Boilermakers have no other glorious past to boast of! apalaria March 08 2007


 * I have added mention of Purdue Research Park and Discovery Park in the introduction section. I think they are two of Purdue's major achievements in the recent past and should be highlighted for those readers who may not have the patience to scroll all the way down to the miscellany section. After all, it is quality research and outreach that makes an educational institution stand out among the rest. apalaria March 08 2007

Traditions and legends
I have continued with the overhaul tonight by adding an entire new section, Traditions and legends. This section ecompasses some reworking and unification of existing content as well as a great deal of new and expanded content. I will also be adding some pictures to accompany the new content. Acaides 06:21, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I just added a picutre of purdue pete and the AAMB for hail purdue! Acaides 06:43, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I added a paragaph about the purdue seal to the logos section and uploaded an image of the seal. Acaides 20:24, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The legends section should only include stories that circulate on campus and are taken as facts. The value of the section is to dispell these rumors with truth. Silly, or obviously false stories don't belong in the article, and should be removed. acaides 19:21, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Leadership
The next phase of the overhaul is done. I added another new section, Leadership. This section is entirely new content that was not addessed at all in the old article. I plan on eventually creating separate articles for some Purdue presdients, including Dr. Jischke. Acaides 22:18, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Athletics
I reworked and expanded the Athletics section. I included some info on head coaches Gene Keady and Joe Tiller, along with info on their records. Acaides 07:25, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Endowment
President Martin Jischke has raised well over $1.5 billion dollars in the last 7 years (the exact amount will be released this Saturday, June 30, 2007). Therefore, I find it hard to believe that Purdue's endowment is ONLY $1.312 billion even with all the current and upcoming construction projects at the West Lafayette campus. Can someone (that has the proper resources) find out the accurate figure for Purdue's endowment and update it on this article?

This might be explained by the fact almost al school edowments have lost a tremdeous amount of money recently.

Housing
Is there any evidence for the claim that Purdue has the third largest Greek community (either in number of chapters or numbers of members)? The linked article just talks about it being large in general, without specific reference to being the third largest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.223.234 (talk) 13:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Satellite School Controversy
Obviously there is no Calument, IN (at least according to mapquest), and in fact Purdue Calumet is in Hammond, IN (according to www.pnc.edu or better yet www.calumet.purdue.edu). This is now reflected in the introduction and I plan on making this clear in futher additions. Also, I have added mention of a statellite campus, Purdue North Central, in Westville, IN. Acaides 02:07, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) Not to mention IUPUI indy www.iupui.edu and IUPUI fort waye www.ipfw.edu


 * There exist NO SUCH IUPUI FORT WAYNE, nor has there ever been. It is called IPFW!  IUPUI stands for "Indiana University---Purdue University AT INDIANAPOLIS".  So this so-called imaginary IUPUI Fort Wayne would be:  "Indiana University---Purdue University at Indianapolis Fort Wayne".  Think the acronym through.  Even with the URL right in front of you, you still wrote IUPUI Fort Wayne.  Furthermore Fort Wayne is spelled with an n, not Waye.


 * IUPUI stands for "Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis", no "at".Dogface 03:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

School Motto
Does Purdue have a school motto? I have searched literally every page on the website and I can't find one. AreJay 18:53, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I did a quick search and didn't find anything either. I have never heard of one, and as far as I know there is no offical motto. The only thing I can think of that would come close to a motto would be something to do with the University Seal: "The three-part shield indicates three stated aims of the University: education, research, and service." Acaides 20:51, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this really counts as a motto. I'm tempted to remove it unless someone can provide a source stating it's considered Purdue's motto. "Learning, Discovery, Engagement" seems more prevalent anyway. MaxVeers 13:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, nobody has come forth with any information about the motto over the last few weeks, so I'm going to remove it due to lack of evidence. MaxVeers 16:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Page size
This article is currently 30kb and I think Wikipedia recommends that each article be lesser than 32kb. I was thinking of ways to cut down the lenght of the article. Could we have separate articles for Hail Purdue and the Alma Mater and/or separate articles for accomplished alumni with links within the main article? I think this article itself is very professionally written and presented -- I was just thinking of ways to make it more reader friendly.AreJay 19:05, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I noticed the article size warning myself yesterday when I was adding new sections. I did some checking with various sources about article length, and I started looking for other articles that are long. I suspected that there are many articles in wikipedia that are substancially longer than this article, and in fact there are many. Based on what I have read and found, I don't think that an article size above 32k is a huge problem, so long as the article is divided into sections. Clearly, the purdue article meets this criteria. Even so, I think it might be a good idea to look into ways to move some content to other articles if someone has time to look into it. I plan to focus my efforts on continuing to build the article. The version of the article I am workin on now, in a word processor, is 11 pages long. When it comes to load time concerns, I myself am editing the article and researching on a 28.8 kbps dial-up connection and load times are not an issue (most of the article is, after all, only text), and I think 28.8 is about as slow as it gets. Acaides 19:31, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Suggestions/additions from a real Boilermaker
As a current Purdue engineering student, I fully recognize all bias towards this comment, but,

"Boiler Up!" (student motto) and "One brick higher" (engineering credo which embodies the spirit of Purdue's strong engineering and hands-on history...after the Purdue bell tower burned down, it was rebuilt with one extra layer of brick as a testament to the resiliance of the Boilermakers)
 * please keep at least a brief list of Purdue mascots including Pete and Rowdy
 * consider expanding the aviation history at the beginning to include more of Purdue's rich astronaut traditions, Purdue has been known as the "Cradle of the Astronauts"
 * I'm not sure if it's noted, but our rival school is most definitely Indiana University (IU)
 * two important Purdue slogans include
 * athletic traditions include the "All-American Marching Band" (one of the nation's oldest and largest college marching band), the Golden-Girl and Silver Twins baton/cheerleading/gymnastic performers, and the "World's Largest Drum"

please feel to incorporate any and/or all of this information

-Ryan 1:49 AM Feb. 14 2005

A fellow boilermaker
Thanks for your input. I, too, am a Purdue Engineering student. Much, if not most, of the content of this article was written by me, so I know what you're talking about. You make some good suggestions about possible additions to the article. I invite you to make these or any other additions to the article.

I had considered writing about some of the things you mentioned, but ultimately did not because i thought that they were somehow "unencyclopedic." Plus, the article is getting pretty long, and I still haven't said what I want to say about the academic and other programs here at Purdue. I was actually considering condensing some of the history/traditions stuff to make room for more 'hard' content and facts. Just a thought. Acaides 17:22, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A former Boilermaker
Actually it was HEAV that burned down, tower and all, shortly after it first opened, that caused the "One Brick Higher" rally cry ;) Be that as it may, would it be inappropriate to have a Traditions of Purdue University (or something similar) as a sub-article? I can't believe neither of you mentioned the "Nude Olympics!" :P (helps if I sign, doesn't it?)

--JohnDBuell | Talk 02:46, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actualaly the original Mechanical Engineering building burnt down about a week after it opened, President at the time declared the next morning that the building would be rebuilt and would be rebuilt 1 brick higher. The new Mechacanical Egineering building (later renamed to Heavillion Hall) was 9 bricks higher. The building in turn was tore down in the 70's and replaced with a new english building names Heaillion Hall (I thinkt he dedication plaque says Heavillion Hall II). The Orginal ME building had a bel tower and the replacement building had a bell tower. The new building does not but a new Bell Tower was erected in the mid 90's. I dont think the hieght of the current tower has aything to do with the One Brick High engineerin Motto.

"Schools" Become "Colleges"
Just curious, has anyone checked to see if all the "School"/"College" monikers are up to date? RDF 19:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Bell Tower Controversy
I recently reverted the text concerning the bell tower legend to its previous state pending a consensus here. While the original text is technically correct (there are in fact actual bells in the tower that really do chime, NOT a speaker system), it could probably be rewritten to be more specific.

Consider the following passage taken from an official Purdue University website :

"The new tower has an electronic clock and a computerized carillon, but it was decided to hang the bells from the old bell tower in the new structure."

I think this passage will clarify the situation, and I encourage anyone interested in the subject to read the entire site that ECN has set up about the Purdue bell towers, past and present.

Basically, the bells that are visible from the ground do not in fact ring at all; they are simply the original bells from the burned tower put in the new one for sentimental value I suppose. However, inside the tower is a full complement of actual bells (not a fancy over-powered HI-FI system) that produce the hourly tones and music that we enjoy on campus. I assume it is the fact that the visible bells are ornamental (and you can't see them being struck, because they aren't) that has given rise to all these myths about speaker systems (that and protrusions visible when looking up that one might think are 'speakers').

I propose that we further develop this point in the legends section to more fully explain the bell tower's workings to clarify the issue for readers. I plan on making such an edit in the days ahead, but I thought I would give the community a chance to weigh in. Acaides 00:42, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Also: I propose completely removing the second point on the bell tower (walk under it and don't graduate in 4 yrs). The reason I added the legends section to the article was to dispel untrue rumors that circulate on campus as fact. I feel that such content is appropriate in a encyclopedia article (at least in a very comprehensive one), but the 'legend' about walking under the tower is really just a superstition and is obviously untrue (yes, I have friends that walked under it routinely and graduated right on time), and does not belong in an encyclopedia entry. Thus, I plan to remove the passage when I update the main point on the bell tower legend. Acaides 00:59, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: Since I have seen no objections (or any reaction at all) to my plans, I have gone ahead and made the changes to the article. I purposefully left the article text somewhat vague with regard to the visible bells. At this point I'm not exactly certain whether they ring or are ornamental, clearly more research should be done on this subject. acaides 00:58, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

New Proposal
The following text was proposed for the bell tower passage in the article:

"One of the more bizarre, yet most commonly heard, legends on campus concerns the integrity of the Purdue Bell Tower. The legend claims that when construction of the tower was completed in 1995 it was discovered that the tower was structurally flawed, and as a result the bells could not ring without risking collapse. Project leaders supposedly had a speaker system installed to imitate the sound of ringing bells. However, inside the modern Bell Tower are a computerized carillon, and an electronic clock. In fact, the new tower includes bells from the original Bell Tower, which was demolished in 1956 after repeated compaints that it was haunted. No conclusive evidence as to whose spirits roamed the tower back then. One theory suggested lost veterans of The Great War whose names were not inscribed on the walls of the Union building because they did not pay tuition that year and/or had less than full time status at the time they left for Europe."

The above text adds some additional 'information' about the origional bell tower. I think we should discuss this addition before adding it to the actual article:


 * The general structure of the legends section has been to state a legend that circulates on campus, and then to address the facts surrounding the claims. Here, we're disproving a legened and then adding another layer of legend on top. I think we should incorporate the 'haunted old tower' legend earlier into the passage, and then offer some additional facts about the claims (e.g. is it true that veterans names did not appear in the Union?, etc.). Until we can offer some facts on the subject, its really just a silly story and doesn't really belong in the article.acaides 13:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Krannert
The information regarding John Purdue owning a brick yard is false. Many student organizations incorrectly promulgate the inaccurate story that Krannert has bricks concealed in its foundation or elsewhere in the structure.

THE TRUTH: In the early days of the university, Mr. Purdue requested that his donation be used for the education of students and not the aesthetics of buildings. Red brick was chosen as it was the least expensive building material at the time. Today it is used to carry on the theme. The Krannert building, which was funded entirely by private donations and is constructed of Indiana Limestone, DOES NOT CONTAIN RED BRICKS. According to Robert Gloyeske of the architecture firm Walter Scholar & Associates and Tom Schmenk of Purdue, there is not a single red brick in or on the building's structure.

I suggest that questions pertaining to other legends be verified by contacting the Purdue University Visitor Information Center. The center is open Monday through Friday from 8:00 - 5:00 and Saturday from 8:00 - 4:00. Phone: (765) 494 - INFO.

Colleges and Schools
I added the n-ary tree of colleges and schools comprising Purdue University so that the reader can see a demonstration of the strength of the engineering, technology, science programs, and agricultural disciplines in particular. If the consensus is that this bloats the main article too much, then as an alternative, it could be moved to another main article, such as I have done for Indiana University Bloomington (although as a Purdue alum I knew a lot less about IU). One can usually tell a lot about the emphasis of an institution by viewing its organization in macrocosm. Optikos 04:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the "Academics" section still needs a lot of work. It's poorly organized, with strengths and structure interleaved in a haphazard way. In fact, I'm not sure that we need to identify every highly ranked department at Purdue -- this coming from the person who originally added many of those citations. What might make more sense is a section devoted strictly to structure, and another section (or perhaps just a paragraph or two) highlighting the major strengths of Purdue. Let's investigate how other university articles on Wikipedia arrange this kind of information and see what we like. MaxVeers 12:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Purdue uses signature not seal
Regarding the recent revert of the Purdue signature back to the seal: "The Purdue University 'signature' logo is the primary identifier for Purdue University and is used more prominently than any of the University's other marks." Consequently, I am reverting the revert. Rfrisbietalk 14:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but just because you found that quote doesn't mean that what goes in there automatically becomes the signature logo, especially without further discussion. My original revert was to allow for that -discussion-, not for you to just slap down your justification and revert it back. Most uni have the seal in the box, which seems to be more or less a standard. I'm going to revert it back so that we can have a real -discussion- about this. If the consensus is to use the signature logo, than that's all good with me, but let's do this right. Madmaxmarchhare 15:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I've made my point. It's the University's practice.  You have not documented your position except as an opinion.  If you have no more justification than that, your reverts are simply heavy-handed POV.  Please consider your own behavior before you proceed further. Rfrisbietalk 15:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'm not sure why you're taking this tone with me, but my initial revert was to have a discussion about this and not for you to take offense. I appreciate your point, and although I don't agree with it, I'd like to see what the rest of the community has to say before we change it. Again, I said that if the community wanted it, I would support the change. Heck, I'll even change it myself to save you the keystrokes if that'll make you feel better about having a real, honest discussion about this :-).
 * In fact, however, there are many schools (Wisconsin, Nevada, Reno, Tulsa, Sam Houston, are ones that I work on and know intimately) that have common identifiers that aren't their seal. In actuality, many schools use their seal for official documents and use alternates for letterhead, brochures, etc. Wisconsin, in particular, uses this funky "W" that one finds etched into buildings, Nevada uses a solid representation of the state of Neavda with a dot where Reno is and the text "University of Nevada, Reno." However, the standard of uni pages, overall, seems to be to use the seal. My guess is because the seal is a more-or-less permanent fixture of identity for the university and isn't subject to the change on the whims of the marketing department or "identity" focus groups, etc. Madmaxmarchhare 16:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I see no reason why you are taking such a heavy-handed approach to blocking an edit. Do you own this page?  Does every edit require a consensus?  By whom? Again, you have failed to reference any wiki policy or guideline to support your position, while I have documented mine.  Please take you poll and move on. I won't be waisting any more of my time on this. Rfrisbietalk 17:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'm not asking you to see my side of this, I'm just asking you to open this up to the community, as it appears that you have. Thank you. We'll see how everyone else weighs in on this and then move forward from there. Madmaxmarchhare 17:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, actually, like a ship coming out of the fog, someone just added UW's "logo" onto the page, and they added it at the bottom of the Infobox (it wasn't centered, so I went it did that). That new logo is the equivilant of what you were trying to replace the seal with. How about adding it at the bottom of the Infobox as was done on the Wisconsin page? That way, the Infobox keeps its concensus look, but you can get that logo in there as well? Madmaxmarchhare 18:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Once again, please reference this consensus you mention with a link to a discussion page. Put the "signature," Image:Purdue.gif, where you see fit. Rfrisbietalk 19:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, it's in there using the Wisconsin page as a model/guide. I also swtiched the black and white seals on the page as the black one seems to flow better with the "signature." As for concensus pages, look at most uni pages, including the ones I've metioned before, or others like the Texas and U-California schools. Illinois State has a really pretty seal at the top of their infobox.. looks-a-niiice :-). Thanks for the suggestions and help.. the signature in the box looks really good! Madmaxmarchhare 19:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the edits. However, consensus refers to explict discussions and general agreements about the application of policies and guidelines.  What you refer to simply is a convenience sample of usage. My conclusion is that no consensus actually has been established on this topic. Perhaps it would be more informative for you to say something like, "Based on what I've seen..." Regards, Rfrisbietalk 20:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

National Society of Black Engineers
The National Society of Black Engineers (NSBE) was started at Purdue. Is this too small of a factoid to write on the Purdue page?


 * If you want to create it, many university pages have a "Miscellany" (sometimes called "trivia," which I personally don't like quite as much) near the bottom of the article to include interesting facts that are too compact to fit in anywhere else. Madmaxmarchhare 04:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Strengths Section
I feel like this section is rather unorganized and could be formatted into a table. Especially the portions regarding the USNews rankings. Dpu2002 16:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree; before someone builds a table, we might try to reach consensus on the order in which programs are listed (I prefer alphabetically). -- Engineer Bob 20:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just use the College/School organization/order in the following subsection (it's alpha). Rfrisbietalk 20:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC) The two academics subsections probably could be combined into one table, with a little imagination. Rfrisbietalk 20:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I sorted the strengths by College/School. I really don't think putting them in a table is necessary at this time. Rfrisbietalk 14:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

looks great! Dpu2002 23:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I added citations. Feel free to add more. MaxVeers 23:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I recommend Template:Infobox US university ranking for this purpose. Btyner (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Other Purdue traditions
I was wondering about adding things like BGR, Breakfast Club, Grand Prix etc. I am under the impression that these things are quite unique to Purdue as well as widespread and well known traditions. Wikivarun 20:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Go for it! :-) Rfrisbietalk 20:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion -- note that some or all of these might fit better under "campus life." -- Engineer Bob 20:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * lol breakfast club should have an entire page for itself. actually, if anything should have a separate wiki article, it should be grand prix. there is a lot of information that probably could be on that page. Dpu2002 19:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll start with something on the main page and as and when I find the time and facts, create pages for Grand Prix and Breakfast Club. Anyone know where and how Breakfast Club started? :-D Wikivarun 15:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's a Vivisimo search on "Breakfast Club". Maybe you can find some clues there. :-) Rfrisbietalk 16:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Paint Crew
Hi. I've been putting together pages for each of the Big Ten's basketball student sections and was wondering if someone would be interested in expanding and maintaining that of the Paint Crew. Thanks! --BroadSt Bully 14:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. PurdueTri11 03:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed citation needed from campus life section
Reworded so it's no longer needed. Here's source: ndyguy 02:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Jischke's salary - 2nd highest at public university
Jedlink, you removed the edit refering to the Purdue University President's salary, commenting that "...Jischke's salary is NOT second highest. Please do not post facts without checking them first. You got this from a newspaper misprint".  The Associated Press reported that figure in a release on November 20, 2006. Also, on November 20th, the New York Times reported, in an article by Jonathan Glater (which you can find online at ) the same thing. Fort Wayne's own "The News-Sentinel" carried the AP story, their first line of which is "...At $880,950, Purdue University President Martin C. Jischke has the second-highest salary among public university presidents in the nation..." Jeanne Sahadi, of CNNMoney.com also reported the $880,950 figure. Washington Times, MSNBC, The Orlando Sentinel, ..., the list goes on. I've restored that edit. Please cite your reasons for believing that this is a newspaper misprint.

Many newspaper's have now printed retractions. As it turns out Jischke's salary is only $480,950. People are including his retirement bonus in this year's pay, when in fact he won't even receive it until AFTER he is no longer employed at Purdue. If you want to keep the information wrong it is fine, many of the newspaper's didn't check the facts before reporting, so it is fine if we do it here too. If you want to keep it in, I would suggest at least changing the wording from "salary" to "compensation", because as it is now, displaying $880,950 as his salary is incorrect. This is noted in the articles in most of the sources you listed. Jedlink 01:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I've edited the entry as you suggested, which is good clarification. Let me know if that doesn't address you concern. - Thaimoss 23:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Jedlink 00:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

John Wooden
I see no mention of John Wooden and his championship team at Purdue. This is an important milestone for Purdue history. Also as a part of the Wiki Indiana project an Indiana notary is an important aspect. John Wooden represents an era of Indiana basketball in the 1920's and 1930's. Not to mention the fact aht he is highly regarded as the best coach in college basketball history. It would be nice to include mention of him and the teams make up.

Thank you. (GabrielCanada 07:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC))

Protection / intro dispute
Looks like we're butting heads over what the intro/lead section should look like. I prefer the current version, as it's better-written and focuses on the broad strengths and notabilities of the university. My opinion is that the other version is more conversational, hagiographic, and highlights some aspects of the university that are controversial (e.g. the claim of having the first CS department). Maybe we can collaborate on a new lead that incorporates the best of both worlds. I know that it definitely needs to be expanded at the very least. MaxVeers 22:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I am an American
Why is this section in here? It looks like a vanity edit to me anyway. I haven't removed it, but please do if you see fit.

Well, I removed it anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.127.41.240 (talk • contribs) 25 March 2007


 * I don't know that I'd agree with calling it a "vanity" edit, but I agree with its removal on the grounds that it's a likely copyright violation. -- Engineer Bob 04:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Purdueseal.gif
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John Purdue
I deleted a passage that stated that John Purdue sought to establish a "secondary" college after being denied a professorship at Indiana University. This seems unlikely as Purdue, who had spent some time when he was in his 20's as a teacher, he was a merchant, and I can find no information that he was interested in teaching and I can find no connection between John Purdue and Indiana University. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfath (talk • contribs) 14:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

ADDING MEDIA TO ARTICLE
I have been working an abstraction and encapsulation of the article. I have also been adding various media to the article including the Astronaut Alumni gallery. Jainrajat11 (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 04:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "WILYwebsite" :
 * "WILY Radio Website"
 * "Purdue Student Radio AM1610 Website"

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How to correctly pronounce the word "Purdue"? 89.222.152.170 (talk) 18:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * per dew; alternatively, purr do Mjf3719 (talk) 20:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Purdue AFROTC
I have the Purdue AFROTC article for deletion. However, I fear that people seldom visit the page, and those who have contributed to it are no longer active. Feel free to join in on the discussion at Articles for deletion/Purdue AFROTC Detachment 220. Mjf3719 (talk) 20:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Endowment
The latest and most reliable/comparative endowment numbers have just been published this week by NACUBO: Update the article accordingly. Madcoverboy (talk) 05:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

MLA Statement
The statement in the opening section claims that MLA style was created at Purdue, the citation links to the online writing lab, to a page stating that Purdue developed the first online writing lab, not MLA. The Wikipedia link to MLA also says that MLA was developed at John Hopkins University, not Purdue. The claim that it came from Purdue does not appear to be correct. (128.210.105.159 (talk) 03:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC))

Whether the "flagship" status of a university can be presented as objective fact
There is currently an RfC on this question at Talk:University of Maine. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 12:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Images
I just wanted to say that the images in this article are great! I changed the seal and athletic logo to be transparent so they look better with the article. :) Kevinmon (talk) 22:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 15:36, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Article needs serious help
This article seems to be in worse shape than it was 6 or 12 months ago. Let's try to fix some of the bigger problems and make this a Good Article candidate.

A few possible starting points:


 * "History" section contains one paragraph about the first 35 years of the university, a huge sub-section on 20th century aviation, and that's it. This section needs to be fleshed out and appropriately balanced to cover the entire 140+ years.
 * "History" section contains a laundry list of landmarks. Why?
 * Structure of colleges/schools in "Academics" section is inexplicably tacked on to the end of the "Research" sub-section. Moreover, the tables there are big, ugly, and verbose.
 * Presidents' names in "Presidents" sub-section are boldfaced for no clear reason.
 * "Sustainability" sub-section in "Administration" section feels very out-of-place. Same is true of "Libraries" sub-section in "Student life" section.
 * Tons of too-short paragraphs (e.g., one or two sentences).
 * "Traditions" section, despite being one of the largest in the article, contains almost no references. It also appears that the "University Seal" section should really be a sub-section of "Traditions." In general, though, this section is too detailed and list-y.
 * Most references in the article are bare URLs.
 * "See also" section is redundant with the nearby Book:Purdue University box and doesn't actually include any articles.

Anything big I've left out? MaxVeers (talk) 22:40, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone know why the buildings listed are a subsection of "20th century-Aviation and Aeronautics" under history? That doesn't seem right. But I'm not sure where they should go. ~Lewis1350 (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice work restructuring. :D I'd be very willing to help out with this article as much as possible. (I'm currently attending.) ~Lewis1350 (talk) 03:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm an alum myself. The article needs a ton of work, though. We'd almost want to start from scratch. I'd estimate at least 30-40% of what's in the article needs to go (non-notable content). Basically, we want to get it looking like this or this or this. MaxVeers (talk) 05:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, those do look good! It also looks like WP:UNIGUIDE could be useful. ~Lewis1350 (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

This is still horrible. From reading the history sections, you'd think Purdue is basically a flight school and that's it. Surely there's a Purdue PR person or an active alumni chapter that would put a little effort into fleshing out the Purdue history. 12.175.88.195 (talk) 06:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). ElKevbo (talk) 07:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

"Along with the gift of $150,000 from John Purdue, a Lafayette business leader and philanthropist, along with $50,000 from Tippecanoe County, and 150 acres (0.6 km²) of land from Lafayette residents in support of the project."- This is not a sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcroner (talk • contribs) 03:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

First photo in campus section
Originally the campus section started out with the image File:EngineeringMall.jpg, until an editor recently replaced it with the image File:Engineeringmallentrance.jpg. I much prefer the former, as I think it shows more of campus, such as the Bell Tower and Hovde Hall. Does anybody feel strongly about either image? Of course I had considered using both but I think it would clutter the section with too many pictures. –CWenger (talk) 22:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If I had to choose between those two, I'd probably prefer EngineeringMall.jpg, although that would mean having two pictures of the Engineering Fountain right next to each other. Another option would be to put the entrance picture at the beginning of the section and put EngineeringMall.jpg in the "Purdue Mall" subsection (in place of the fountain close-up) where the Bell Tower, Engineering Fountain, and Hovde Hall are all described. Brian the Editor (talk) 21:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ It looks a little cluttered but not too bad. –CWenger (talk) 21:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but that's not quite what I meant to say. When I said "in place of", I meant remove File:Purdue Engineering Fountain, angle.JPG and put EngineeringMall.jpg there, so that the total number of photos stays the same. The fountain is already in the center of EngineeringMall.jpg, so I don't think it also needs its own separate close-up here. (People could go to the Engineering Fountain article if they need to see a picture of it without the trees in the way, just like they can go to the Purdue Bell Tower article to see a better picture of the Bell Tower.) Brian the Editor (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooops, I see. It's fixed now. –CWenger (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Odd vandalism
Oddly, in my browser, the "History" section starts with the following text:

"In 1865, the Indiana General Assembly voted to take advantage of the Morrill Land-Grant Colleges Act of 1862, aLd sda dalef/j ;df/jadtpoijsdmfse;udhfd;/aekrmawiushdjowejtfh:IGAY AS CARP ibraries, Archives and Special Collections |accessdate=November 21, 2011}} "

I don't see the garbage part of the text when I edit the section, but thought I'd point it out. Guy who reads a lot (talk) 02:16, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like ClueBot fixed it a few hours before you posted here. I think web browsers' caches sometimes cause people to see old versions of pages, like what you're describing. Brian the Editor (talk) 16:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to remove "Insignia and traditions"
It looks like most of the issues that MaxVeers mentioned above have gotten better, but the "Insignia and traditions" section is still too unreferenced, detailed, and "list-y". Would it be a good idea to remove the section entirely? The parts about Boilermakers, mascots, logos, colors, and fight songs could be condensed into a single paragraph under "Athletics". The Old Oaken Bucket can be mentioned in the football paragraph. Grand Prix, BGR, and some yet-to-be-written content about clubs could be made into a new "Activities" subsection of "Student life". I don't have access to Purdue's libraries, but I think they have some published books that could be used as references for these topics. --Brian the Editor (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * One problem with this proposal is that there would be no place to describe the seal. Maybe it could be moved to "History" to help fill in the awkward 27-year gap between the last two paragraphs? Brian the Editor (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If nobody objects in the next several days, I will replace the "Student life" and "Insignia and traditions" sections with the content of User:Brian the Editor/sandbox. It's still not quite WP:Good Article-quality, but I think it's an improvement. Brian the Editor (talk) 21:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with all of these suggestions, thanks for your work on the article. Reywas92 Talk 02:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Food options
A new editor recently added a significant amount of material about the various food options on campus. I reverted the edit using the edit summary "I don't see how this is of lasting significance and importance; this is an encyclopedia article, not a brochure or visitor's guide to the campus." Our colleague readded the material without discussion and without addressing the objections I previously raised. He or she is a new editor so I'm not particularly concerned about the burgeoning edit war he or she began but it would be nice if he or she would self-revert while we come to a consensus.

To restate my objections, I don't see how the food options on campus are of encyclopedic importance. This is an encyclopedia article intended to tell readers the critical facts to help them understand this topic. It's not meant to be a visitor's guide or a comprehensive listing of all services, shops, offices, departments, buildings, and opportunities on this campus. In fact, the physical campus should only be one part of this article (although a separate article about the campus may be warranted) with the rest of it focusing on the history of the university and its organization, administration, funding, and contributions. Unless there is something unusual, interesting, or especially important about the food options, they don't belong in this article anymore than a lengthy section about custodial services, groundskeeping, parking services, or other mundane features of the campus (yes, yes, those services are critical and valuable but the point is that they're not unusual or worth describing at length in this article anymore than we need to have a multiparagraph section describing other mundane features of a modern U.S. university such as student conduct or the provost's office). ElKevbo (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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Related AfD
FYI: Purdue Outing Club has recently been nominated for deletion. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 23:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Advertisement banner? Vandalism?
Upon viewing an un-cached version of this page, I noticed a banner located directly under the sub-heading for "Rankings." The content in question is an animated .gif titled, "cache me if you can." I attempted to view the source for the sub-section myself but I cannot seem to find the code including said image. Link to hosted screenshot of image in article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.112.131.98 (talk) 06:37, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It was some vandalism in a template. It's been fixed although it might take a bit for things to clear up for everyone; I forced a purge on this article which should have fixed it but other articles with the same template might take a bit before the servers automatically refresh things.  No worries. ElKevbo (talk) 07:04, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Several colleges nominated for discussion
I have nominated several Purdue colleges for deletion at Articles for deletion/Purdue University College of Veterinary Medicine:


 * Purdue University College of Veterinary Medicine
 * Purdue University College of Education
 * Purdue University College of Health and Human Sciences
 * Purdue University College of Liberal Arts
 * Purdue University College of Science

None of these articles have sources that demonstrate that they're independently notable subjects. Your participation in the discussion(s) is welcome! ( You might be particularly interested.) ElKevbo (talk) 01:40, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * My position is that they are valid splits from the main article which is too large for merging them into. Also they don't have to be independently notable of the main page which is obviously notable, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 01:43, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, they do have to be independently notable to merit their own articles. ElKevbo (talk) 01:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

School Colors
There have been some recent edits to the school colors changing them from Old Gold and Black to Boilermaker Gold and Smokestack Black. I oppose these changes, as while the Purdue branding website lists them, they're the trademarked colors used on promotional material and for uniform branding, not the colors used for the school or athletics. For one, old gold is listed in the school's official fight song Hail Purdue, and smokestack black is literally just plain black (hex #000000), per the website. Also on the website further up it just says "our primary colors are gold and black." Additionally, if you were to go on the street and ask anyone from Indiana or a Purdue fan what Purdue's colors were, they would say old gold and black. Finally, this source from Purdue states Old Gold and Black. Invinciblewalnut (talk) 20:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I support these changes. Whatever is on the school's branding page goes in my opinion. It shouldn't be just based on what people say. For example, if you were to ask a Minnesota fan what the colors of Minnesota are, they would say maroon and gold. We list their colors as UMN Maroon and UMN Gold because that's what it says on the website. Another example would be Penn State. If you ask a Penn State fan what their colors are they would say blue and white. We list the colors as Nittany Navy and White Out because that's what it says on the website. So, in short, it should say Boilermaker Gold and Smokestack Black, because that's what it says on the website.  KingOf AllThings  (thou shalt chatter!) 21:12, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm fairly sure old gold and black refers to athletics only.  KingOf AllThings  (thou shalt chatter!) 21:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it should be old gold and black. These are pretty universally known to be the colors, and the boilermaker and smokestack colors are newly-invented unknown marketing terms. There's one website that lists those, but others with the original names. I don't think it should say Nittany Navy and White Out either. "White Out" doesn't exist, it's just white, and no one says that except their branding team. Reywas92Talk 22:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * IMO we should go by what the school itself wants us to call the colors, but maybe that's just me.  KingOf AllThings  (thou shalt chatter!) 02:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * How do we know that's what the school wants us to call them, or just the marketing team? Again, "Smokestack Black" is just a marketing term invented by their marketing team so they can (probably) have a trademark on it. It's not a real color. Invinciblewalnut (talk) 20:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the reasoning for the Smokestack Black name, I think it makes sense to stick with "Old Gold and Black". They are used in far more sources and seems to be the long term accepted names:   . The smokestack/boilermaker terms seem to only be used on that page and are not in wide use, and are not listed on the official Purdue "traditions" page. --Cerebral726 (talk) 15:16, 27 December 2021 (UTC)