Talk:Puss in Boots

Titles
The moderately well-prepared Wikipedia reader will search "Puss in Boots". That is the criterion for a clear and unpretentious title for an article. The opening sentence's bolding may often be more correct or more complete. Bolding phrases that redirect to the article help orient readers who have arrived via redirection. Elaborate titles need piped links every time they are mentioned elsewhere.--Wetman (talk) 18:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. It appears that the page about various incarnations of the character has already been dealt with. If you need any further admin assistance on this move, please let me know. -GTBacchus(talk) 02:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC) Le Maistre Chat, ou le Chat Botté (Puss in Boots) → Puss in Boots &mdash; The title/phrase "Puss in Boots" entered the English language in 1729 with the first translation into English of Perrault's fairy tale by Robert Samber. This article discusses that translation and Perrault's original text and thus this article is the primary topic. However, some difficulty has been met in attempting the move and admin help is requested. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 20:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This needs to be changed one way or the other since the current title is inaporpiate since it implies that there are two or more articles titled Le Maistre Chat, ou le Chat Botté. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.191.64 (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Question The version is the most known one among varieties of the story. However, do you have any idea how to handle the title of Puss in Boots (fairy tale) together if this article is moved to Puss in Boots? In my opinion, the latter can be renamed as Puss in Boots (character) since it deals with the puss in various versions of the story.--Caspian blue 08:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. The Puss in Boots (fairy tale) article examines Cats as Helpers and Animals as Helpers in fairy tales rather than Perrault's tale. I think the article should be moved per your suggestion. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 10:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I already expressed my stance, but this clarification is for the admin who would judge the request. The tale, commonly known as "Puss in Boots" began to be known as such since Perrault's book was published, so it should take the title as the primary topic.--Caspian blue 19:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I do not understand Kathyrncelestewright's removal of the Request Move tag twice. Even if the title was at the English title of the original French name, the article should be at the "commonly known title", Puss in Boots. Besides, the original request at the RM page still is live.--Caspian blue 20:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Is this really the original story?
It has been claimed that The Fox-Matchmaker came first: http://www.jstor.org/pss/1261067 The Fox-Matchmaker is an identical story except a fox plays the role of the cat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boenna (talk • contribs) 20:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC) Indeed, the tale has folklore origin. There is a Russian version with a fox, where the human protagonist is called Kuzma Skorobogaty ("Kuzma the Quick-Rich"), and also a Turkish version, which has a curious PS - the protagonist proves ungrateful to the fox who then reveals to the princess his real background. There must be something about this story in Aarne-Thompson. I have no Aarne-Tompson at hand, so I hope somebody will search for the tale.128.72.111.234 (talk) 12:33, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Dead link
I clicked on the link to the audio version of the story in French. However, the site to which I was directed said, in French, there was no such page. Delete the link? RedRabbit (talk) 11:55, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Conflation with story of Dick Whittington and his Cat
See Talk:Dick Whittington and His Cat Bogger (talk) 07:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I concur, the Italian origin angle is incorrect, ‘Dick Whittington and his booted Cat’ folklore was 100 years before the supposed Italian author was even born.....Roland Of Yew (talk) 14:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Chronologically Dick Whittington Has Precedence
Richard Whittington and his booted cat was published nearly 100 years before the Italian version. I can offer primary and secondary sources as well as citations from the British Museum. However, before I start editing and I think it’s only fair to have a debate. Roland Of Yew (talk) 18:41, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * @Roland Of Yew so have you added the sources? Esteban Outeiral Dias (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Enough to make a cat laugh
When I looked up the origins of the phrase "enough to make a cat laugh" I found that it dates from the mid-19th century and is associated with the story of Puss in Boots. Perhaps someone might want to do some further research on that? WordwizardW (talk) 23:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)