Talk:Puss in Boots: The Last Wish/Archive 1

No edit war
i don't wanna start an edit war, User:A person in Georgia. Any other reversions will result an edit warning to you if you keep this up. do not do anything to it until more sources pop up. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 03:38, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * ??? You're reverting my edits with additions filled with poor grammar. "On June 29, 2022 ... Heitor Pereira is signed to compose". What does that even mean? They didn't sign up on June 29; they were announced to be composing the score on June 29. You're making bad edits so stop. A person in Georgia (talk) 03:41, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Im not making bad edits! I’m trying to give good detail! Leave it alone! BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 04:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See the thing is not everything that's announced on a day happens on the day. That's why you are wrong. Plus there were grammar issues that needed the fix even moreso. We know your heart is in the right place but the edits still weren't good CreecregofLife (talk) 04:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No, you don’t get it! Every article needs detail. Every action, every vfx moment, just like the other articles from DreamWorks. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 04:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Detail of what? What details were you adding beyond the basic fact? CreecregofLife (talk) 04:10, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The design and animation. The facts about them. How they work and how they look. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 04:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * None of that was removed? I just fixed the sentence about the composer. A person in Georgia (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * “How they work and how they look” doesn’t even seem to describe the section’s content CreecregofLife (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Look, Minions: The Rise of Gru's page is a good example of how it's supposed to. Even The Bad Guys and Spirit Untamed! It deserves to have those parts in. It needs to have them back in. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 23:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The subheaders belong. One point of headers is to find stuff in the table of contents. If I want info about music in the film it would be nice if it were easy to find. Production as the only section head is too broad. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * MOS:OVERSECTION: "Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading." This is the important detail from the Manual of Style. Those articles and this one do not need subheaders for each paragraph. A person in Georgia (talk) 01:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Notice the word "generally" in the advice. It makes sense when there is a logical reason to have the subsections which is the case here. Also WP:IAR, good reasons, and a consensus can justify ignoring MOS guidance. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, sometimes, but in this case no. With the original subheaders, there would be one section with two solid paragraphs (Development), one with a medium paragraph (Animation), and one with a single-sentence paragraph (Music). As stated in the MoS, it would "clutter" and disrupt the flow of the section. A person in Georgia (talk) 01:56, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The single section on the other hand is too large and the flow is broken anyway when there are distinctly different subtopics being covered. A subsection at that point is logical one to have. It makes the distinctly different information easier to find in the TOC and makes the article easier to navigate for those who are looking for information as opposed to just reading it from top to bottom. Why we section things in the first place. The minor issue of two small subsections is worth it for ease of navigation and ability to find desired content. Specifically for me, I want to find info on the music for this film. I don't want to read the whole article to find it and it is not obvious it is in the production section as well. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A music section normally means there is something to say about the music in the film. Currently that can be summarized in one sentence: "[Composer] is composing the score for [film]." This can also be found in the infobox, and it's a bit misleading to have a subheader for the music in the film that is only one sentence. A section is justified once there is a bit of material and a solid paragraph. A person in Georgia (talk) 02:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * MOS:FILMMUSIC recommends a "Music" subsection in the "Production" section if the preferred "Soundtrack" section doesn't exist. Basically it is something expected and something I look for. If the section is sparse it should still be there but tagged . It is a distinct topic. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * None of this make sense! It needs to be the way it was like the others. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 06:19, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think Geraldo is in your corner though. CreecregofLife (talk) 06:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Really? Like on my side? BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Geraldo is agreeing with you. I'm just saying that the section is not too long to be divided yet. Also, you can't just base your argument on saying that you want it to look like other articles, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. A person in Georgia (talk) 17:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I admittedly find that argument a bit odd, because page formats and templates do exist, but they’re not quite “other stuff” if it’s about building that page. Formats and templates give an idea of what a page is supposed to look like, and it might not be clear to some that some of the bonus sections were actually spun out from the more crunched base format. I hope this makes some semblance of sense CreecregofLife (talk) 18:06, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

i am not starting this war since you User:A person in Georgia are starting this against yourself. You have no manners to go against the rules and my job is to keep things on track. Keep the history in check and don't lose it out of sight. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * We’re not going against the rules. Please don’t act like your duties are special, they’re all of ours CreecregofLife (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * im trying to make sure they're the same as they are from the other pages from DreamWorks. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 18:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Why? CreecregofLife (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "the world needs to know the dates" What? Why? In many years, no one will care when the announcement was made. What matters is who the composer was. A person in Georgia (talk) 18:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It was reported on that date that Heitor Pereira was in the process of recording the score. That means the statement that he will provide the score is incorrect - the score has already been created (written and orchestrated) and provided to the production team as of that date, recording it is a separate activity and is basically the final production step in the creation of the film. The only info the date provides is the transient production process info that the score was being recorded on that date. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:12, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Animation
User:BMA-Nation2020, you keep adding that inspiration for the animation came from Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. You provided this, a review of the trailer that compares the two films, and this, which merely says it looks like it "borrowed" from the other's "playbook", though it does not contain any confirmation from the studio. You're also adding phrases that are inadequate for an encyclopedia, such as "to make it feel like you’re in a fairy-tale world" and unsourced sentences, and reverting my efforts to properly cite sources and remove duplicate citations. Why? A person in Georgia (talk) 18:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


 * because of the design! They said it themselves! BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 19:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Where do they (DreamWorks) say it themselves? A person in Georgia (talk) 21:56, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * it doesn't matter. it's the same as the Bad Guys. some shots shows parts having illustrations like in the second trailer. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * it's the same as the Bad Guys. And how do you know that? All claims on this site must be followed by a reliable source proving the claim. You can't just say "it doesn't matter" and jump to conclusions. A person in Georgia (talk) 22:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Salma Hayek's last name and where the film takes place
I have seen this movie due to the special screening that they did on November 26th. The end credits show that Salma Hayek is credited as Salma Hayek Pinault. That is why I keep adding Pinault to her last name. She is credited as that. Also, there are NO SOURCES confirming that this film takes place after Shrek Forever After. No one has ever talked on this page about it taking place after Shrek Forever After. That is why I keep deleting it. 2600:4040:12AA:7200:3152:53A2:3DE:8014 (talk) 16:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Timeline
Due to the new look and the ending, i would say that this sequel takes place after the events of Shrek 4 and months after the events of the first film. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 00:38, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Date
The page says that the movie was theatrically released on December 22nd 2022. Given that it’s currently December 4th 2022 it seems to me that that must be a mistake. Either it means it was released on December 2nd 2022 or that it will be released on December 22nd. It is not clear from context which one it is. 198.200.115.29 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

First sentence
Per WP:LEAD, we need to establish the most noteworthy context for the topic upfront. That context is the fact that it is a sequel to the 2011 film, that it is part of the Shrek franchise, and that it features Puss in Boots. It is WP:PROMO to put the companies in the first sentence; Wikipedia is not a press release for films. It focuses on what most reliable sources say. See a breakdown of how WP:LEAD applies here at. Thanks, Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 03:22, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2023
"the map to it's location" should be "the map to its location" Meisterkleisterheisster (talk) 19:26, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks, Indagate (talk) 19:31, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

First name or last name?
I'm confused if we should refer Jack Horner by his first or last name, since throughout the film he's called by both. HiGuys69420 (talk) 00:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I believe Horner would be appropiate, since that is what even he seems to heavily prefer most of the time. 75.117.226.68 (talk) 00:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ok thank you HiGuys69420 (talk) 20:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit requests on 3 May 2023
In the Plot section, please change the link saying "Kitty Softpaws" from "List of Shrek characters" to "Kitty Softpaws", then in the Cast section, please link "Kitty Softpaws". 2607:FEA8:761B:C900:834:2FAD:9021:A1D8 (talk) 20:51, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ for the second request: per MOS:OLINK, linking once is more than enough. M.Bitton (talk) 23:20, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

The Trident Alternate Voice Cast


If you check the voice cast list at the end of the video link only Antonio Banderas and Salma Hayek do not reprise their roles for that short. Instead Eric Bauza reprises his role as Puss and Margo Rey takes over as the voice of Kitty. Every other cast member whose character is in The Trident actually reprises their role. 2601:1C2:4E02:BF80:C585:D93D:4ACE:6412 (talk) 17:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2023
I found some sources that said the film would premiere on Peacock on March 10, 2023. In the Home media and streaming section, please add "The film was released on NBCUniversal's Peacock streaming service on March 10, 2023," and add the reliable sources I found. 45.72.218.192 (talk) 17:03, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Callme mirela &#127809; 00:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2023
In the last paragraph of writing subsection change:"producers didn't wanted to simply" to "producers didn't want to simply" 2800:200:F210:157A:CC93:DDAA:159D:C2F6 (talk) 05:57, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cannolis (talk) 06:04, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Home media
I was on UPHE.com and I saw on the Puss in Boots watch page listed the upcoming 2-Movie Collection of it and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish on DVD and Blu-ray on its list, which is coming on February 28 this year.

XSMan2016 (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC) XSMan2016 (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Removal of categories
I've removed two categories pertaining use of Spanish language as well as another one in relation with the setting as per WP:CATVER. If sources do deem the residual (yet colourful) use of Spanish language in the film as relevant, "Spanglish" or "Spanish" could be added to the infobox next to English. Whatever the case, both sources and ensuing inline mention in the article are needed in order for the categories to be warranted.--Asqueladd (talk) 10:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Removal of categories
I've removed two categories pertaining use of Spanish language as well as another one in relation with the setting as per WP:CATVER. If sources do deem the residual (yet colourful) use of Spanish language in the film as relevant, "Spanglish" or "Spanish" could be added to the infobox next to English. Whatever the case, both sources and ensuing inline mention in the article are needed in order for the categories to be warranted.--Asqueladd (talk) 10:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding details of the opening before the party in "Plot"
I've tried a couple times to add a couple of sentences about the movie's opening, before the plot. First time, I went over 700 words, my bad there I will admit. On the second try, within the limit, it was undone as being "explanation isn't needed". Why is that so?

The opening reading of Star Light, Star Night helps establish the themes and plot of the movie. Linking to it gives further context. Also adding that there is a short montage before the actual plot is also informative to telling others that to watch the film. Finally, I fit it within the limit without any disturabnce of the rest of the section.

Also, I've it's not clear to me what " hidden note ignored and removed" means. Brilleanceo (talk) 04:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding details of the opening before the party in "Plot"
I've tried a couple times to add a couple of sentences about the movie's opening, before the plot. First time, I went over 700 words, my bad there I will admit. On the second try, within the limit, it was undone as being "explanation isn't needed". Why is that so?

The opening reading of Star Light, Star Night helps establish the themes and plot of the movie. Linking to it gives further context. Also adding that there is a short montage before the actual plot is also informative to telling others that to watch the film. Finally, I fit it within the limit without any disturabnce of the rest of the section.

Also, I've it's not clear to me what " hidden note ignored and removed" means. Brilleanceo (talk) 04:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2023
Please change the main article for the characters in the voice cast section from "List of Shrek characters" to "List of Shrek (franchise) characters", because the page was moved. 99.209.40.250 (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tollens (talk) 18:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)