Talk:Pyongyang: A Journey in North Korea/Archive 1

Language?
The original language is stated as English. Wasn't the book first published in French? The infos are very vague throughout the Internet and my only source is wikipedia itself, the main Guy Delisle article. So, if anyone is sure which of both is the correct original language, please rectify the article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.217.188.190 (talk) 07:41, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Cartoon
Which cartoon is it Guy oversees at the SEK Studio? At one point in the novel he says it's made for France biggest television network (that being France 2). The only French cartoon starring bears I could find is Petit Ours Brun, but this one is rather old. --Abdull 15:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Asia Times says TF1.
 * From Time:
 * the production of an animated preschool special for French television. "It was based on children's books with rabbits," he says. "I don't even remember the name."
 * --Error 01:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Misinformation and biased statement
This: "where he insults his guides by disbelieving the well-documented US/UN atrocities which killed 4 million Koreans" was typed in "places he visits".

This statement seems VERY biased and reflects someone's opinion. I think it should be erased, or at least modified to something like: "Where he disbelieves the supposed US/UN atrocities documented there". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel tah tah (talk • contribs) 12:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The atrocities are well documented, and proven by mass graves that continue to be discovered in South Korea, by witness testimony in South Korea since the end of the dictatorship, and by official US government documents ordering these atrocities -- as reported even in mainstream sources AP and BBC. Adding the word "supposed" to the atrocities is historical revisionism, and just because the US and ROK have lied about it for all these years doesn't mean it is not a fact. The Journal of Genocide Studies article I cited describes how actually the evidence that is available now shows that the US and ROK committed much larger scale atrocities against unarmed civilians than North Korea during the war. At any rate, I made a more in depth description of that scene with two sentences of factual information showing that Delisle made the equivalent of a genocide denial. This is a relevant aspect of the book to describe in an encyclopedia article about it, as you would expect the same to be said about a journalistic work that denied the holocaust, or any other massacre involving numbers in the millions, whether or not there is interesting journalism in other parts of such a work.(24.7.78.170 (talk) 12:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC))

Suggest Removal
What does Genocide Denial have to do with this book? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.131.17 (talk) 19:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing. If I remember correctly, the author didn't deny anything but tells his guide, that wars were never clean, no matter which nations were involved; and that he never would condemn a whole people because of "a few oil paitings" and "a few blurry photographs". So there's neither a genocide denial nor a belittlement of US atrocities in this book. I would second a removal -- 80.136.28.111 (talk) 17:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The previous user's statements are dead-on. There is no denial of any atrocities, rather a refusal by the author to "demonize an entire people on the basis of 3 blurry photos and a few paintings." This isn't a case of the author delving into the academic studies on the subject and finding that no atrocities took place, but rather his subjective observation that the lurid paintings and handful of photos at the "Museum of Imperial Occupation" were less than persuasive. The comment is out of place in the article and I strongly agree with the section's removal.Modronlove (talk) 23:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Reverse Walking?
What? 71.206.246.9 (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Walking backwards is actually a common Chinese exercise, practised all round the world.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 13 January 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Seems straightforward, unanimous support and valid reasons to move. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Pyongyang (comics) → Pyongyang: A Journey in North Korea – The proposed title is neither that long nor obscure. Per WP:NATURAL, the natural disambiguation is preferable if possible. George Ho (talk) 06:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support for the reasons you listed. Pyongyang (comics) also reads awkwardly because it could be interpreted as meaning there was more than one comic. Tolstoyan at Heart (talk) 06:55, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Charles Essie (talk) 22:41, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support WP:NATURAL In ictu oculi (talk) 02:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


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