Talk:Pyramid (franchise)

Question
Here's a question I have (and I wonder if Daniel Benfield) can help me answer this:

A while back, I went to my local library, and took a look through old L.A. Times and N.Y. Times microfilms. The L.A. one for the week of November 21, 1983 listed three airings for $25K Pyramid, while the N.Y. one listed only two airings, and the J.F.K. Memorial Mass.

But here's where it gets even more confusing: Press Your Luck, the show that aired after $25K Pyramid, was also preempted on January 2, 1984, yet for some reason, S2X's episode guide clearly states that episode #74 aired on that particular day. And the 6/7/84 episode (before Michael Larson's reign of terror) was listed as #187, not only on this episode guide, but also on GSN's PDF schedules as well.

What could be throwing my numbering off in the case of both shows, I may never know. Unless there was an unaired episode for both shows that was taped but never shown on CBS (the one from Back-to-School week 1985 on PYL notwithstanding). When I say that this makes no sense whatsoever, I mean it.

Sorry if this is somewhat off-topic, but this is something that I must know. And Daniel, $25,000 Pyramid's 1,000th episode on CBS aired on August 1, 1986.

picture
Dire need of a picture. Redwolf24 10:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

reference
References in pop culture: The Pyramid game is satirized on Dr. Dre's 1992 rap album, "The Chronic", as "The $20 Sack Pyramid" where the players attempt to win some weed and money for a "swap meet".

Bob Stewart Productions returns?
Could it be that Stewart returned to television back in 2002 by becoming a silent partner for Pyramid? I found his company name at the Internet Movie Data Base. King Shadeed 15:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably an error by someone who lumped it in with the other versions. Stewart was credited on the 2002 as creator of the format though. Scrabbleship 16:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Where, exactly? I don't remember seeing his name in the credits. Green Lantern


 * Maybe even before? Sande Stewart was a consultant/possibly producer on "Million Dollar Password" in 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.59.206.114 (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Split-apart
I added this tag in the article page because it is getting too long, and some sections are getting attention away from the main focus. Rather than adding verylong, it would be better to leave this tag alone until we can work this article out. --Gh87 09:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Support. This article has just gotten WAY too long, and there's way too much information for each version of the show that I persoanlly feel that the need their own articles. FamicomJL 19:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Support, but keep it to a minimum. In my opinion, three articles are necessary. The first should have information on the original 3 Pyramids ($10K, $20K, and original $25K), the second should have the info about the '80s versions and the John Davidson-hosted revival, and the third should be about the Osmond version. --ChrisP2K5 19:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, however a hypothetical split should have the $50K in with the $10K/$20K/original $25K rather than in with the '80s/Davidson versions given that version was closer to its predecessors than its followers. Scrabbleship 22:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 'Note', Right down to the theme, even. FamicomJL 00:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Response. I agree with that, however I don't believe the Osmond version has enough info to warrant a new article. FamicomJL 23:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Support Yes, the article is a bit lengthy. Gamesurf 22:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Support. I think it should be split too. I think that the 70s versions should be on one page, the 80s version and Davidson's on another, and Osmond's on a third. Also, at least mention should be made (if it hasn't already) about the late 1990s pilots (one of which, I think, was hosted by Chuck Woolery). TenPoundHammer 06:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Support. I already got the ball rolling by splitting the sections on game and tournament play off into a separate article. Starbuck-2 10:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not going to help, Starbuck-2. It's easier to do it with separate versions. --ChrisP2K5 01:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Shall we re-integrate the split-apart sections into the main article until we can find an effective method? --Green Lantern 02:45, 18 March 2006
 * Strongly Support. This article is way too long. We need detailed pages for each version because they were very different throughout their separate runs. KansasCity 13:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Intro rewrite
The introduction doesn't really make it clear that Pyramid is the collective title for multiple incarnations of the same show. I'm not sure of how to rewrite the intro, however -- does anyone have any suggestions? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I took a shot at it. JTRH (talk) 13:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a start. All the pages related to this show still need work; just like most of the game show pages, there's just too much cruft. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

To add to that, I would request the addition of a paragraph explaining why the pairings must be between a celebrity and a regular contestant. I mean, cannot two regular contestants (not a celebrity and a contestant) compete against each other? --Marceki111 (talk) 18:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Gameplay info
How about some info about the actual game play? That all got wiped out when the gameplay subarticle got nuked, and it needs to be re-added to this article. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 04:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I really don't know why the guy prodded it without asking us if we wanted to take any of the info and trim it for the main article. Best we can do is get someone who really knows the game well, and can sum it up in a few paragraphs or less. FamicomJL (talk) 16:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I asked an admin to userfy the page, and am currently taking a whack at trimming it down. It can be found here in case anyone else wants to help. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I put in some basic, straightforward gameplay information. I haven't yet dealt with the bonuses like the Lucky Seven/Big Seven, 7-11, etc., and I only saw the $50,000 version once, so I have little knowledge of it. Feel free to expand, or to whack away. JTRH (talk) 04:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding the coin toss to break the Winner's Circle tie in tournament play, the coin toss was conducted on stage, and in Episodes #373, #374, and #547 (September 9-10, 1987, and August 30, 1988, respectively) Dick Clark used a half-dollar. Megaultrasuperuberviewer (talk) 07:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Your edit is being reverted because that information is trivia. Sottolacqua (talk) 12:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

John Davidsion version distributor
Orbis Communications never distributed the John Davidson version of The 100,000Pyramid, so that's incorrect. It was Multimedia Entertainment that was the distributor for that version. King Shadeed 14:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Multimedia was the distributor for the second season, Orbis for the first (the latter was even mentioned in the show's closing credits, as was parent company Carolco). — Preceding unsigned comment added by RadioChuck (talk • contribs) 07:36, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Short count
"A weekly syndicated nighttime version, known as The $25,000 Pyramid", with a "network daytime version" that "increased its top prize and was renamed The $20,000 Pyramid". Huh?! TREKphiler  hit me ♠  08:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A version hosted by Bill Cullen aired once a week at night and was titled The $25k Pyramid. A version hosted by Dick Clark aired daily in the mornings and was titled The $20k Pyramid. Sottolacqua (talk) 12:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Payout confusion
I was always under the assumption that in the 1982-1988 runs, the first Winner's Circle was worth $10,000, and a second victory was an ADDITIONAL $25,000. Meaning two wins in the same day netted a player $35,000. This is the impression I got from Dick Clark's explanation at the top of the show. Thanks for the correction.

71.55.45.97 (talk) 16:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Bryce Lozier

Shelley Smith
Sorry, I'm still trying to figure out how to format this:

I am sure that the Wikipedia reference to Shelley Smith in the article is the wrong one.

The Shelley Smith Wikepedia link goes to the redhead long-time ESPN reporter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_Smith

The Shelley Smith that was on the $100,000 Pyramid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt1Hx_qE6G8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji_ZFRqYsp8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22shelley+smith%22+pyramid

is blond, a former actress/"supermodel,"

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5sGLUNKVkLwJ:supermodelicons.com/shelly-smith/2009/09/11/+shelley+smith+actress+egg+donor+program+pyramid&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0809948/

and is the founder of the Egg Donor Program in Studio City California.

http://www.eggdonation.com/about-us.html

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week1001/cover.html

http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2000/novdec/articles/eggdonor.html

You may want to create a separate entry for the other Shelley Smith

You may also want to go to the Youtube pages to link the winning tournament games as able to the videos. Thanks.PryaKoopNinja (talk) 15:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Comcast Commercial Spoofing Pyramid
Anyone besides me remember the Comcast commercial that spoofed Pyramid, using the old set from the 10k-100k era. It ran from 2006-2009 during their 'Comcastic' ad campaign LReyome254 17:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LReyome254 (talk • contribs)

Announcers
It says in the infobox that Steve O'Brien was the announcer from 1979 to 1982. It should be 1979-1981. Also Alan Kalter should be in the infobox along with Steve O'Brien. The two alternated after Bob Clayton died.--E2e3v6 (talk) 23:33, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Chris McDermott correct spelling of a 1991 tournament winner
I am she. What's interesting in that tournament the three finalists were named Chris, Christy, and Christine. John Davidson had some fun (?) with that.

Unsourced Material
Article has been tagged long-term for needing references. Feel free to reinsert the below material with appropriate citations. Doniago (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

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Stewart then reworked the game and presented another version to CBS, with a bonus round that featured a giant pyramid board (then with 10 subjects instead of 6) and a $10,000 cash prize which could be won in one minute. He made the point that offering such a large amount of money in such a quick fashion had not been done before on television. There was no second pilot episode taped, but a run-through presentation was made in front of the network executives, with Peggy Cass and Bill Cullen as the celebrities demonstrating the new Pyramid game format.

Broadcast history
The first thirty episodes (six weeks) which aired on ABC were taped at CBS' Ed Sullivan Theater while a replica set was built at ABC's smaller Elysee Theater, known also as Studio TV-15. One reason may have been the size of the set (including the giant Pyramid board itself); also, and Pyramid historian William Padron had said that the CBS union staff objected to seeing their creations moved to an ABC studio. The first episode taped at ABC was broadcast on June 17, 1974 with June Lockhart and William Shatner.

A weekly syndicated nighttime version, known as The $25,000 Pyramid and hosted by Bill Cullen, made its debut in September 1974, seen mostly on network-affiliated stations during the prime access time slot. This edition lasted until September 1979.

The network daytime version was a ratings success for ABC, usually ranked #3 among daytime game shows. On January 19, 1976, the show increased its top prize and was renamed The $20,000 Pyramid. However, ratings later began to slide, and ABC canceled the show on June 27, 1980.

For a six-week period from October 1 to November 9, 1979, the series became Junior Partner Pyramid, with the traditional celebrity-contestant pairings scrapped in favor of children teamed with their parents or other adult relatives.

From January 26 to September 4, 1981, the program returned to daily first-run syndication as The $50,000 Pyramid, with Clark as host. It was the final edition of the program to originate in New York City. This version included the first tournament structure and was later integrated into The $100,000 Pyramid. This version lasted for 95 episodes (19 weeks), and, like the majority of the 1974-1980 ABC/Syndication run, was taped at studio TV-15. Tapings of this version lasted from January 11 to April 8, 1981.

The new Pyramid debuted at 10:00 AM and for its entire run on CBS served as the leadoff program for the network's morning game show block, being paired with three different series as part of the lead-in hour for The Price Is Right. The first series to share the hour with The $25,000 Pyramid was Child's Play, which was hosted by former Pyramid host Bill Cullen and debuted the same day. In September 1983 that was replaced by Press Your Luck, which was replaced by a new version of Card Sharks in January 1986.

The word "New" was added to the title on November 8, 1982 (#0036). Clark explained that this was to differentiate between the current series and reruns of Cullen's $25,000 Pyramid that were still airing on certain stations. On January 28, 1985, "New" was dropped from the show's title. Later that year, in September 1985, a concurrent syndicated series premiered on local stations. This series was called The $100,000 Pyramid and featured a tournament format similar to that employed by The $50,000 Pyramid. Like its network counterpart, The $100,000 Pyramid quickly became a hit.

The $25,000 Pyramid ended its original run on December 31, 1987 and made way for a previously planned game show, the Bob Goen-hosted Blackout. However, after the new show went off the air after thirteen weeks, The $25,000 Pyramid returned on April 4, 1988 to serve as a fill-in until a new version of Family Feud starring Ray Combs was ready to premiere on CBS. Both the network and syndicated Pyramid series ended their runs shortly thereafter, with The $25,000 Pyramid ending on July 1, 1988 and The $100,000 Pyramid following it off the air on September 2, 1988. The entire 1982-1988 era of Pyramid, consisting of both the CBS Daytime, and daily Syndication editions was taped at studio 33 from August 1982-June 1988.

Even on versions where he didn't host, Dick Clark was still involved. He appeared on the Cullen and Osmond versions as a celebrity player, and offered pre-taped well wishes to Davidson on his version's premiere episode. At the time, Clark was hosting The Challengers, which prevented him from returning for that version.

Later developments
In 2009, two pilots for a new version of the game, one hosted by Dean Cain and the other by Tim Vincent, were taped in New York.

Three pilots for The $500,000 Pyramid were taped on June 22 and 23. CBS once again passed on the series and made an announcement on July 21 that The Talk, a program hosted by Julie Chen (wife of CBS president Les Moonves) and similar in format to The View, instead took the time slot in October 2010.

On July 12, 2012, GSN announced The Pyramid had been picked up and would premiere on the network on September 3, with Mike Richards hosting the show. The show has been praised for keeping the original gameplay in tact, the hosting job by Richards, the set and prize money, but has been criticized for poor gameplay by both celebrities and contestants. {| class="collapsible collapsed" style="width:100%;font-size:88%;text-align: left; border: 1px solid silver; margin-top: 0.2em;" ! style="background-color: #CFC;" | Celebrities ==Celebrities==
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June Lockhart and Rob Reiner were the celebrity guests on the debut week of The $10,000 Pyramid in 1973. On the premiere, Reiner won his contestant $10,000 in the very first playing of the Winner's Circle, but a clip used of the show's second win (also done by Reiner) from the first week was seen in opening montages thereafter. Lockhart was frequently seen as a guest during the 1970s, and Reiner appeared on two episodes of Cullen's show during its first season. Lois Nettleton and Bill Cullen were the celebrities on the final week of the ABC version on June 23–27, 1980.

Several game show hosts and future hosts appeared as panelists, including Bill Cullen, Geoff Edwards, Nipsey Russell, Betty White, and Henry Polic II. Clark and Cullen appeared as celebrity guests on each other's shows, and Clark also appeared on three episodes of the Osmond version. Billy Crystal holds the record for the fastest Winner's Circle win at 26 seconds on December 2, 1977. Though the episode itself was later destroyed, a clip of Crystal's entire record-breaking round was later shown on a 1979 episode that featured him and Sal Viscuso.

Several contestants later returned to the show after becoming celebrities. These include Constance McCashin (who appeared as a contestant on the Cullen version), Richard Kline (contestant in July 1974), Mel Harris (contestant in 1979 on the ABC version and again in 1985 on the syndicated version), Joel Brooks (contestant in 1976), Kathy Najimy (contestant in 1985), and Diane Amos (contestant in March 1986). Additionally, David Graf won $10,000 with his partner Patty Duke in 1979, and when the two were reunited as celebrities for a week in 1985, a clip of the big win was shown.

Announcers
Bob Clayton was the show's main announcer until he died of cardiac arrest in 1979, although Jack Clark announced the special Los Angeles-based weeks on CBS in 1973. Alan Kalter, Fred Foy, John Causier, Dick Heatherton, Ed Jordan, and Scott Vincent all substituted for Bob Clayton whenever he was absent. By 1980, Steve O'Brien was hired as the show's principal announcer for the ABC network daytime edition (as The $20,000 Pyramid), and O'Brien and Kalter then rotated announcing duties until 1981 when the last New York broadcast was produced and aired in syndication (as The $50,000 Pyramid).

When the show moved back to CBS Television City in Los Angeles in 1982, Jack Clark returned as primary announcer. He remained in that position until 1985, with Rod Roddy, Johnny Gilbert, Jerry Bishop, and Charlie Tuna serving as substitutes. After that Gilbert shared the announcing duties with Tuna, Bob Hilton, Charlie O'Donnell, and Dean Goss on both The (New) $25,000 Pyramid and The $100,000 Pyramid.

When John Davidson took over in 1991, Johnny Gilbert returned as primary announcer. Dean Goss and frequent panelist Henry Polic II substituted for Gilbert on occasion. John Cramer announced for the 2002 Pyramid series' entire run, and JD Roberto is the current announcer on The Pyramid.
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Changes to the article
I changed "civilian contestant" to "regular contestant" because "civilian" would have to be used if the other contestant was a military member, not a celebrity. --Fandelasketchup (talk) 11:28, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I also deleted the article "the" from the sentence "found in the water" because we usually don't say, for example, "the water is too hot" but rather "Water is too hot", at least to my appreciation. --Fandelasketchup (talk) 11:33, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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Prize Limits for 2016 ABC version
Having attended the taping I can confirm that SanAnMan's original edit was correct, the top prize of the show is $150,000 (outside of the Mystery 7 bonus) provided that the player goes back to back and wins at the The Winner's Circle each time with the first one worth $50,000 and second trip up worth $100,000. I'm not sure how else to state this other than having attended the taping myself. retched (talk) 19:58, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Tag the edit with WP:CITENEED and an appropriate explanation. When the episode airs, remove CN and add Template:Cite episode. AldezD (talk) 20:04, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and edited in a Template:Cite Episode for Season 1, Episode 3. The player went ahead and won $4,500 on Game 1's Winner Circle and then $100,000 on Game 2's Winner Circle. He was shown winning $104,500 meaning they combined the totals. So if he won at Game 1's Winner Circle and at Game 2's Winner Circle, it'd show $150,000 instead. Feel free to remove it but you can't really say the limit is $100,000 anymore, at least for the 2016 Revival. (The Cite Episode can be reworked as I have NO idea how to format it for the game shows. It was just Episode 3, Season 1 of the ABC Show.) retched (talk) 05:05, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Winner's Circle Amounts
Granted this is a bit of a research project but for the Winner's Circle section, should there be a table of values included for the various amounts to demonstrate what each category could provide? retched (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Pyramid (game show) → The $100,000 Pyramid – When the article was created, the most recent version of the show was just Pyramid. Although I have seen this colloquially used to refer to all versions of the show, the fact that there is a version currently on the air seems to suggest that the current name of the show should be used. As the currently airing version is The $100,000 Pyramid, should the article reflect that? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:40, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I'm going to oppose this one. This article is not about one show, but about the whole series of shows ("franchise" if you will) that share the "Pyramid" history. The current name best describes that, while naming it as proposed would make the article be about a specific version of that show. --Gonnym (talk) 23:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As written, this article is about the entire game show franchise, not just one "The [TOP PRIZE] Pyramid" version. Best to leave it where it is, rather than moving this page every time there is a new version. I even found this article from 1981 in which both the author and a quote from host Dick Clark makes references to it just merely as "Pyramid" Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:30, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose move. The rationale for keeping it where it is has been made clear above – this article is about the entire "Pyramid" game show franchise, not the currently airing $100,000 Pyramid version.  ONR  (talk)  08:34, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "Pyramid" is the generic name. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:26, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Gonnym. An alternate possibility is to go with Pyramid (franchise), as this article does seem to cover the international versions to some extent as well, and not just the U.S. version. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:35, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


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Producer of "The $20,000 Pyramid"
I was a Producer from 1977 to 1980. Product Assistant starting in 1973, then Associate Producer under Ann Marie Schmitt before becoming Producer. Jane Rothchild 2602:306:CF14:E80:3C0A:BEFB:4B36:70BB (talk) 14:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 26 October 2023

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The result of the move request was: Soft moved. As there have been no comments after 2 weeks of discussion and a Wikiproject notification, I am closing this as a soft move. If you disagree, please seek to re-start discussion. (closed by non-admin page mover) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Pyramid (game show) → Pyramid (franchise) – Per the last RM in 2018, "Pyramid" has a long standing precedent as a catchall term for the franchise as a whole. As this article covers all incarnations of the show, and such a move was suggested last go round, this might be viable. Compare Double Dare (franchise), which covers all variants of that show. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:10, 26 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Frostly (talk) 23:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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