Talk:Pyramid Head

Analysis

 * Escapist Magazine: Seeing Red: The Repulsive Allure of Pyramid Head Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

And Escapist Magazine: Love Triangle which is about his, er, appeal to female gamers. Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:41, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Analyzed in Column: The Aberrant Gamer - 'Sundering the Mind'. Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The Butcher
The most I can find immediately is Yahtzee complaining about Origins having a PH knockoff, but he didn't name names. Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 17:31, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Aside from this which looks like it would be useful for some of the real-life references in Origins, I found this sentence here: "When Butcher, Origin's Pyramid Head predecessor, I say there's no better weapon than a toaster." Can't imagine what it means through...^.^ Anyhow, it seems to link PH and the Butcher, which is a start. Kaguya-chan (talk) 18:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

A-Class Assessment
A-Class Assessment here. Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Most of the article seem pretty good. However I noticed two dead links in the article. GamerPro64 (talk) 21:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed links. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support: I believe that it deserves A-class now. GamerPro64 (talk) 20:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - promoting to A-Class --Teancum (talk) 12:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Major issues before FAC
I'll probably fix some, or maybe all, myself in the near future, but, anyways, here are some things: Hula Hup (talk) 23:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The "Concept and design" section is currently in a mess concerning the timeline of the overall process; the section should follow the chronological order of events, as first comes the process of conceiving the character and their role (concept) and then comes the process of creating the character (design).
 * The "Silent Hill 2" sub-section needs more citations.
 * The "Analysis" section should have its name changed, as it is very vague; analysis of what? A suggestion would be "Symbolism".
 * In the "Reception and legacy" section, citation 5 links to an article by Christina González, but the sentence says that Samantha Xu is the writer; it should be checked if further similar mistakes exist in the section.Yes check.svg
 * In the "External links" section, there's a link to an irrelevant page; also, I'm not 100% sure, but this could be considered favoritism. It could be substituted with a link to a Wikipedia article of another video game character who is iconic in the series they belong to, maybe Nemesis (Resident Evil)?
 * 1) There wasn't a chronological order of events, as far as I can tell. Ito wanted a monster without a face, didn't like the inital designs, and then created PH. Or so the story goes. ;) I don't know if he had a specific role for the character to fulfil at that time, and would prefer not to assume. 2) The entire source for the game's plot is, well, the game itself. Much like the source for the plot of a book. 3) Analysis is implied analysis of the character's role. He's more than just a symbol of James' anger, guilt, etc; he's also his tormentor, and in a way, Mary's avenger. 4) That's unsettling. Please do correct any mistakes like that. 5) Never thought of it like that. What if it had IGN's page of PH too? Nice find with Nemesis, though. It could go under a "see also" section. Kaguya-chan (talk) 00:40, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) How can there not be a chronological order? Ito first decided the character's concept (a monster with a hidden face) and then designed him; the title "Concept and reception" was chosen because WikiProject Video games says so (check the "For characters" bit); someone with common sense would say that the section should have a layout which follows the order of events (i.e. begin with the concept behind the character (the initial phase) and end with the character's design (the final phase), but it currently both begins and ends with the character's physical appearance, which belongs to the "design" part of the section, which is chronologically preceded by the "concept" part; as such, the "concept" part, which is the initial phase, is in the middle of the section. I've also noticed that the wording is POV in some instances (e.g. "reminiscent of a butcher's smock", "His most outstanding feature is his large red, triangular head"). 2) Then we should place a citation to the game. 3) The fact that he's a tormentor and Mary's avenger are symbols themselves (another alternative would be "Analysis and symbolism" or "Symbolism and analysis"). 4) I'll see to it. 5) Sorry!!! It was late at night here (and still is), when I was writing my last comment here, so I was (am) sleepy :P; I wanted to include my idea on Nemesis in a sixth issue, but due to fatigue, I accidentally included it in the fifth. About favoritism, I had no idea about it, I learned about it from Teancum on SH1's talk page, I don't know if he was right or wrong in that case, and neither I know for sure if the link to UGO Entertainment here is considered favoritism; I believe we should ask Prime Blue, whom I immensely trust (he/she helped greatly in promoting SH1 to GA status) before we remove or add links to PH's profiles on sites. Hula Hup (talk) 01:51, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) Oh, that makes a little more sense. Better now? 2) To what extent? A cite after every sentence in the section seems over-the-top, but one at the end of each paragraph, not so much. 3) I wouldn't categorize PH as Mary's avenger and James' tormenter as a symbol, but as his relationship towards the two characters. He cannot be a symbol of James' tormentor, but he can be a symbol of James' inner torment (an idea). Since the section discusses his role and symbolism, it might be better left as "analysis"—a broad category which covers symbolism too. Or maybe I'm nitpicking over something incredibly minor. ;) 4) Okay! 5) No worries! I'm all for getting outside opinions. Ask away! Kaguya-chan (talk) 03:47, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) Yes, a bit better. 2) You believe one citation to the video game itself at the end of the sub-section is good? 3) I don't know... 4) I have work to do! 5) Done. Hula Hup (talk) 23:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hula Hup (talk) 09:25, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In the lead, Takayoshi Sato is mentioned without explaining who he is; I haven't checked if this is repeated.Yes check.svg
 * In "Analysis", reviewer personal opinions are presented as facts ("Representing 'James' anger and guilt'", "Pyramid Head acts as 'judgment personified, a sexually dark butcher'").Yes check.svg


 * Done and done. Kaguya-chan (talk) 01:09, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Same applies to "Concept and design": "only Pyramid Head features an 'overly masculine' appearance", "He resembles a pale, muscular man covered with a white, blood-soaked robe reminiscent of a butcher's smock", "painfully", "His most outstanding feature is his large red, triangular head". Hula Hup (talk) 22:32, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * In "Concept and design", Lost Memories is mentioned without explaining what it is. Hula Hup (talk) 04:07, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Clarification requested during GOCE copy edit
I'm doing the copyedit requested on the GOCE requests page. Actually, the article is already very well written, and there's only a little to do. But I've placed a Clarify on the sentence "Pyramid Head functions as an executioner of Maria, who strongly resembles Mary and is later revealed to be a delusion of James,[36] and his constant tormentor.[9][clarification needed]". This punctuation implies that it is Maria who is James's delusion and constant tormentor. However, I am in doubt becuae ref [9] is really saying that Pyramid Head is the tormentor. I have no access to ref [36] and maybe they are both delusions(?) Anyway, this needs clarifying. --Stfg (talk) 14:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all, thank you so much for such a beautiful copyedit. I'm in awe. Second, you're right: the ref 36 does refer to Pyramid Head as the tormentor. Maria and PH are manifestations of James' (no one else in the game ever sees him, except Maria and James). Hope that helps! Kaguya-chan (talk) 18:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for that kind comment. I've made a change to make this clear and removed the tag. Actually, just putting a comma after "Mary" would probably do it, but adding another "he" puts it beyond doubt. Good luck when you take it to FAC. --Stfg (talk) 18:23, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you! We've been expecting this. What do you think about the issues above? Do you disagree with any? Hula Hup (talk) 20:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for asking my views. I'm not a subject expert, just a copy editor, so I can't really add to your discussions (1) and (2). For (3), I think "Analysis" is quite OK, and the suggested alternative, "Symbolism", is also fine. If these don't satisfy, another possibility would be "Psychological significance". Don't forget to insert an anchor if you change it! For (4), I don't see Samantha Xu mentioned in the article, so I think the citation as currently given is good. On (5), once again I cannot comment as I'm not a subject expert, but, of course, a link to another Wikipedia article would belong in See also, not in External links. --Stfg (talk) 10:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

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