Talk:Pyramid of Neferirkare

Possible misused word
The last sentence of the first paragraph reads "The pyramid is also significant because its evacuation led to the discovery of the Abusir papyri." Did you mean "excavation" instead of "evacuation," or does "evacuation" have a technical meaning in archeology of which I am unaware? Gms3591 (talk) 13:51, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In this case evacuation means "emptying" or "clearing of contents". You can use excavation instead. Mr rnddude (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response. I had not thought of that meaning of evacuation. Now that you've explained it, I think evacuation is more precise (to clear something of contents is not the same as digging it up or taking the dirt off the top of it [which is what I take excavation to mean in the context of a pyramid] though it might be necessary to excavate a pyramid before evacuating it), though confusing because it's an uncommon usage (at least to me).  Not being sure, I'll leave it as is.  Again, thank you. Gms3591 (talk) 07:24, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Location
For those of us who are not experts on ancient Egypt, don't know where the necropolis of Abusir or Saqqara are and are a bit foggy about Giza, you might change the first paragraph to read something like "on the highest site at the necropolis of Abusir about 10 miles southwest of the Great Pyramid outside of Cario."

While you're at it, you also might add "The pyramid is also significant because its evacuation led to the discovery of the largest papyrus findings to date from the Old Kingdom at Abusir Papyri." --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 13:20, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The two pyramids are about 11.5km or 7mi apart, and Neferirkare's pyramid is south-east not south-west of Giza. GM is not a reliable source, but it's the only source I could even hope to use to give locations from the reference of Khufu's pyramid. I don't see a benefit here though, the only reason I included that it's between Giza and Saqqara is that those two necropoli (necropolises?) are famous (Giza Pyramids and Djoser's step pyramid respectively), while Abusir is comparatively quite obscure. If you need such precision, there's co-ords provided at the top of the article and a relief map in the IB. In regards to point 2, it would be misleading. It's a true statement for the papyri as a whole, but the largest cache of papyri were found at Neferefre's unfinished monument. Hence, to say that this pyramid is significant for 'the largest papyrus findings to date from the Old Kingdom' isn't inaccurate.  Thanks for offering constructive suggestions though, a nice break from the spate of vandalism. Mr rnddude (talk) 14:47, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * What if the reader doesn't know the location of Abusir or Saqqara or even Giza? From the first paragraph, you could be discussing a pyramid in Memphis. The first paragraph is supposed to be for the newbies; to give them enough info to see whether they want to read further. The Great Pyramid is something everyone should be familiar with. --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) There's wikilinks. 2) There's co-ordinates. 3) Memphis is not mentioned in the lede, so this is not a reasonable suggestion. If it is necessary to localize Abusir for the reader, then 'south/south-west of Cairo' makes more sense. You can find Cairo on any map. Mr rnddude (talk) 16:27, 5 December 2020 (UTC)