Talk:Pyrgus malvae

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Importance rating
This is a UK Biodiversity Action Plan (2007) species—GRM 15:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Behavioral Ecology Class Contribution
Hello, My name is Jaya Prakash, and I am a student at Washington University in St. Louis editing this article as part of a Behavioral Ecology course that I am enrolled in. Over the course of this past week I have made the following edits.

1) I have added the following sections with citations to the publications listed in "References" and "Literature": Table of Contents; Taxonomy/phylogeny; Description; Geographic range; Habitat; Food resources: Adult food preference; Parental care: Host plant preference/selection; Life history: Life cycle: Egg Larvae, Pupa, Adult; Enemies: Predators; Migration: Location or regional dispersal; Mating behaviour: Female/male interactions: pheromones, courting; Climate effects on behaviour; Physiology: Wing structure effect on flight behaviour; Conservation: Grazing effect on population; References: Literature

2) Before I began adding to this article, I also noticed that there was information that had not been cited and raised concern for plagiarism. I have removed that content and replaced it with information that covers the same themes but is cited by reputable sources.

3) I have added three pictures displaying Pygrus malvoides semispecies, Grizzled skipper feeding behaviour, and Pygrus malvae mating behaviour.

4) I have also removed two external links (Butterfly Conservation and UK Butterflies) that were not directing to the indicated website and showed a "Page not Available" message.

5) Finally, I have updated the overview to include the addtiions that have been made to the overall article.

J.Prakash2344 (talk) 15:42, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Additions and Suggestions
Hi! I added a few links to relevant Wikipedia articles throughout the article (for items such as superspecies, rosaceae, adroconia). I was also a bit confused because the grizzled skippers are referred to as lycaenids in the Predator section, but they are of the Hesperiidae family. Is there any clarification that could be included on this matter? I think a description of how the caterpillars build the tents/what they look like would be a great addition as well! --BoozalisHannah (talk) 02:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello! I mainly read and corrected for general writing problems. I smoothed over language in multiple places, deleted redundant phrases, strengthened language when it was vague, and fixed a couple grammatical errors and typos.  I would also suggest putting some of your geographic range info into the conservation section, and showing how those two connect. Overall, really thorough article!

Emilykh26 (talk) 18:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Peer Edit Suggestions - Behavioral Ecology course
I think that you did a great job with your article updates! I thought this article provided a lot of detail and information about this organism, and it is clear that you put in a lot of time and effort! In particular, I thought that you did a great job on the life history portion, which had a lot of detail and was very organized. Some edits that I suggest are that it would be helpful to have some more subsections in certain areas, which would help make the information more clear. For example, the “Geographic Range” section and the “Courting” section would be a lot more clear if they had some subsections, such as subsections titled “Perching” and “Patrolling” for the “Courting” section. Some of the sentences were a bit confusing, so I suggest edits in order to make them more clear and easy to follow. Also, I think that when you are describing a series of reasons, such as in the adult food preference, it might help to have more parallel/clear structure, so that it is flows better and is easier to follow. Also, sometimes terms such as ”this is relevant because“ makes it seem like you are drawing your own opinion, so you might consider rephrasing or omitting that. Overall, great job on this article! RV2014 (talk) 05:02, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Behavioral Ecology Suggestions
I think that your article was great! I thought that your mating behavior section was particularly well done. I added additional links to other wikipedia pages throughout the article where needed. Additionally, I removed the quotation marks used throughout the article, as I don't think that lists need to be quoted since there is not really a way to paraphrase lists. I also made some grammatical changes throughout the article, and moved some images so that they are closer to the relevant sections. I think that it would be helpful to have more images of the other life cycle stages of the butterfly, as currently all of the pictures are of adult butterflies. Additionally, I think that more information about the migration and physiology of the butterfly are needed for a better overview. I am also a little confused as to why you list present and past concerns for conservation - I think there is a better way to word this information, in a way that explicitly talks about each of these concerns in relation to conservation and explains why they are past/present concerns. jerryshen (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 6 July 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to Pyrgus malvae per nom, the title redirected to Pyrgus; should anyone want a dab page instead, be my guest. No such user (talk) 12:15, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Grizzled skipper → Pyrgus malvae – "Grizzled Skipper" refers not only to this species (when used in Europe), but also to the genus Pyrgus, and in North America to P. centaureae (https://www.naba.org/pubs/enames2_4.html). This page should be at the scientific name, with "Grizzled Skipper" redirecting to either a disambiguation page or to Pyrgus with a hatnote pointing to the two relevant species Somatochlora (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support. The scientific name is more precise; the vernacular name is also applied to other taxa. Plantdrew (talk) 22:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. The common name is seriously ambiguous. The scientific name is the obvious disambiguation. I'm not sure that this is supported by our current disambiguation policies and practices but it should be. Suggest a 3-way DAB at Grizzled skipper. Andrewa (talk) 23:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Which plant is this supposed to be?
In the overview section: "Eggs are laid on plants that will provide warmth and proper nutrition for development, such as A. euphoria." What's that supposed to mean? You just cannot abbreviate the first part of a two part plant name without it having been written properly before! Are people supposed to guess??? That might sometimes work, but that's not how it should be done at all, I am sure. With a butterfly called 'Something-with-malva' people here for example might begin their guessing with 'might stand for "Alcea"?' – As I came to the pages about Pyrgus and then Pyrgus malvae via a link FROM the 'Agrimonia eupatoria' page, I am additionally of course wondering if someone mixed up, trolling or otherwise, "eupatoria". However, how can I read the original writer's, abbreviator's, mind? I am wondering about such a sentence being in the overview section anyway, by the way... 2A02:3037:600:839C:237:191A:1FBD:A68E (talk) 11:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Removed. No need to mention an example of a single host plant in the lead (unless perhaps if there is only a single plant species used as a host). And the lead section is overly detailed and could do with some trimming anyway. Plantdrew (talk) 04:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)