Talk:Pyroluria

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http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/pyroluria.htm Is it kryptopyrrole or hydroxyhemoppyrrolin-2-one?

NPOV
This articles does not state clearly enough that Hoffer is a proto-orthomolecular, that mainstream medicine does not recognise this condition (see Pubmed:Pyroluria) and that it therefore not seen as an explanation for the symptoms/conditions listed. Pyroles/*urine (MESH) gives a huge amount of results, most of which are bona fide studies looking at forms of porphyria. JFW | T@lk  18:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What is pyroluria, is it an accepted clinical entity and what are the treatment? --WS 21:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * "Yes", in some orthomolecular, environmental and naturopathic medical circles. Apparently Pfeiffer, Osmond and Abram Hoffer failed to associate too few benefits to any permanent trank deficiency treatment recommendation. (Hoffer & co say to use tranks, etc sparingly and to ween with OM trmt as rapidly as possible). Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine and similar, conventionally proscribed medical publications can probably better answer such inquiries.  Note: I didn't partake even a pickle from the ~16x~20"deli platter in the student residents' lounge, either (I was invited, by an appropriate official) ;->>--TheNautilus 04:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia editing and formating questions
Q: How do I link all of the footnotes that are refferenced from the "same" hyperlink to the same footnote? I would like to have the footnote listed and then repeat listings cited underneath with "quoting" the text, if possible. Thank you for your help. OnaTutors | T@lk  15:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * A: See Help:Footnotes. The first instance you use . Further instances you use . Don't forget the slash (/), which closes the tag in the same instance. See coeliac disease, where this is used extensively to refer to the main reference (VanHeelWest) in 12 instances. JFW | T@lk  08:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Ethical Nutrients: Zinc Status
I do not believe this article should be discussing a specific product and linking to the purchasing site. In this case, Ethical Nutrients: Zinc Status. Deepnchilled 16:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed. WP:NOT.  The text was a verbatim copy from the site it referenced and merely was here to sell the product. Cburnett 17:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Q:Is there another way to inform the public about such a test? There are many different brands that test for zinc status. I would like to inform the public of the ease of use of managing zinc status levels using this simple liquid zinc status test, instead of expensive blood tests. Thank you for your help. I do not intend to indorse any one particular product over another. I am simply a satisfied user of Zinc Status and I am very greatful for its easy of use, for this difficult to manage condition. I appreciate the feedback and any helpful suggestions.  OnaTutors |  T@lk  23:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * A: Is there no reference that lists or compares all available zinc tests. If such a reference does not exist, is this still notable enough for inclusion in the article. JFW | T@lk  08:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

A mess
The page is a huge mess, I'm doing a big re-work. First, I'm re-formatting the references to make it more obvious that when you click on the link, it's an external link. I moved the sections that were just external links into the external links section. More to come. WLU 14:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Sections
The sections I'm pasting below don't add anything to the article that I can see. Here's my problems with them, in bold italics beneath the sections:

Vitamins and supplements
 * vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine)


 * This should link to the article, there is no need for a huge table and picture on an article that isn't on the main topic of B6


 * Main article Vitamin B6 — Pyridoxine


 * This is not a main article, this is an external link

Betaine Hydrochloride
 * Main article: Betaine Hydrochloride
 * Same comments as above - no need for a big table, and not a main article


 * Look for a capsule (not tablet) that contains both betaine hydrocloride and pepsin. It should be taken at the start of a meal, and the dose depends on the size of the meal.
 * Betaine Hydrocloride should only be taken under the supervision of a health care practitioner, because too much may lead to stomach bleeding or ulcers even in the absence NSAIDS, or asprin. People who have peptic ulcer disease or abdominal pain, also, should not take betaine hydrocloride.  If abdominal pain, burning, discomfort, or dark stools occur, it should be discontinued immediately.
 * Nothing in this section that links it to pyroluria. Why are there external links being masked as wikilinks?  And the tone is not appropriate, it should be third person, and the reasoning for the instructions should be included - we're not doctors.

Omega-3 fatty acid
 * Main article: Seafood Allergy

Omega-6 fatty acid

Magnesium

Manganese

Zinc


 * Why are these tables here?


 * ''Main article: Zinc


 * Again, this is NOT a main article, it is an external link.


 * Zinc Deficiency, Metal Metabolism, and Behavior Disorders
 * The Analyst - Zinc Requirement


 * Again, should be references or external links

There's other stuff too, I'll go through it. I'm concerned about the external links as well, I'll look at them one by one. Also, some of the references are pretty iffy, but I'm not going to remove them 'cause I don't know enough. WLU 15:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Reliable sources
I agree with a number of the concerns expressed above by JFW; also, this article relies on sources that don't appear to meet WP:RS, and are not of a high quality. The article needs a substantial revamping, to report information based only on reliable sources. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed for discussion, not based on reliable sources: Sandy Georgia  (Talk)

Epilepsy
Pyroluria can cause seizures related to vitamin B6 deficiency and is also associated with gluten/casein sensitivity. Some individuals that have a seizure disorder should be cautious in the use of both evening primrose oil and vitamin B3 because these two supplements are known to lower the threshold for seizures.

Diet
Food allergies, also known as cerebral allergies, are common in individuals with Pyroluria. Some foods may also be helpful in the treatment of pyroluria.

Sandy Georgia (Talk) 17:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Citation deficiency
As there no longer are any tags noting the need for citations, I'm removing the boxes that state otherwise.--Alterrabe (talk) 09:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Description
This page describes Pyroluria as being unreal. Everything said about the illness is quickly taken back with comments like, "However, pyroluria is not considered related to schizophrenia in conventional medicine". I had no luck editing the page, as all I really did was get rid of most of what the page originally stated. If this page is going to explain what Pyroluria is, that's what it should do. Nobody is here to express their opinions in their pages (at least I think so, it doesn't really matter) and Pyroluria doesexist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.246.44 (talk) 01:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Have a look at Flat Earth or Hollow Earth to get an idea how Wikipedia deals with ideas about science that are believed by some, but not accepted by the scientific community. Tim Vickers (talk) 01:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There is such a huge difference between the "flat earth theory," instantly disproved by airline travel, and pyroluria, which has never conclusively been proved or disproved, that the comparison seems unwarranted to me.--Alterrabe (talk) 17:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

There is a conclusive test and 85% of people with schizophrenia, Autism, ect. are cured when their Pyroluria is attended to. I think there should be a symptoms list here as well, because it does have symptoms, and they're very clearly related to lack of B6 and Zinc. White flecks on fingernails, poor ability to cope with stress (thus the high alcoholism rate among Pyrolurics). ~LA_Alirie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.246.201 (talk • contribs)
 * Can you provide the reference for this? Nature, BMJ, the Lancet - any of the big ones will do. Verbal   chat  19:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Notability?


a few dozen hits in both google books and google scholars. This appears to fall under WP:FRINGE, and a merge based on WP:NOTE may be fully appropriate. --dab (𒁳) 19:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've supported the merge at the discussion on Talk:Orthomolecular medicine. Verbal   chat  19:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge discussion
Over half of the people at the discussion the merge opposed it (8/15 by my quick count?), so there's clearly no consensus. I'll let Eldereft fix the orthomolecular psychiatry page. II | (t - c) 18:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Although there was clearly no consensus for the merge and I opposed it, I'm not really unhappy with the result. The original merge discussion was for orthomolecular medicine, a page which is, as one commenter pointed out, is already a bit WP:TLDR. I'll revert myself and we'll see if anyone wants to revert the merge. II  | (t - c)


 * Really, this came about from wanting to make a better article of Orthomolecular psychiatry, which included making a proper subheading for pyroluria and expanding on it. As it happened, pretty much everything fit comfortably there, so I decided that one halfway decent article would be a better solution than two insufficiently sourced and loosely written articles, and just pulled everything over. This solution seems to at least partially satisfy the 'pyroluria is too large and too specific to be merged' argument, the 'too little detail could be included at the already lengthy OMM' argument, and the redundancy and unseemly detail arguments. If I left out any salient points or references from the merge, please include them.
 * I am not really wedded to the one-article solution, though I would prefer that some better sourcing be included if this is to be a stand-alone article. - Eldereft (cont.) 01:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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