Talk:Qʼuqʼumatz

Gukumatz, the feathered serpent

 * I find that there are far too many comparisons of the K'iche' Gukumatz, Yucatec-Maya god Kulkukan and the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl. True, while each of them is similar and are descended from the same source over the course of so many thousand years, these are three completely dieties. Also- this entire page's resources come from a single source, a website (Here it is by the way) word for word! The sources cited, such as Tedlock, I've already read...and nowhere do I find this information. This page needs some serious editing, and I think we should create a separate page for the Feathered serpent diety as there are more than one Mesoamerican gods to bear that name/visage.~B.Endev

Kukulkan link
When clicked on, it comes back to the same Gukumatz page. --207.253.53.117 02:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There has been little information as to the traditions of the Yucatec-Maya and their worship of their version of the feathered serpent deity, Kukulkan...could someone look into this? ~Aw.1


 * I totally agree, there seems to be an incorrect assumption that Kukulcan (Kukul Khan) is the same as Quetzcoatl the rainbow feathered serpent, but in Thor Heyerdahls research Quetzcoatl came from the over the ocean to the EAST, whereas Kukul Khan came by boat from the WEST. I also contest the true meaning of Kukulcan (however you spell it) In East Asian language (where Mayan genes come from) Kukul means chook and Khan means King. Is Kukul Khan the bringer of agriculture and the domestication of chickens? quite possibly so.


 * On an even harder to accept note, but with genetic revelations staring us in the face, the enigmatic Caucasian Haplotype X of America is not from Western Europe, nor from Siberia, but from Iran!
 * In light of this hard genetic information, I would like to suggest that Gukumatz is actually Gilgamesh a famous King of Babylon. Linguistically they certainly have the same ring to them.


 * Then there is of course the European God of War called Woden found also in America known as Votan. Once again another example of trans- Atlantic cultural sharing either from a period of globalization during the Bronze age, or relics from the even more ancient period when the Proto Egyptians originated from an Island/islands from across the Atlantic (as their history states). The American suffix TLAN for LAND also has a similar ring to the Middleastern word for land - STAN. When will people wake up to this incredibly interesting story of cultural sharing during periods of globalization, followed by periods of creative cultural reinvention during long periods of isolation?


 * Peter Marsh


 * Please, this is not the place for idle (and in this case, rather silly) speculation and original research. Write what you like at your own website, but there's no point in doing so here. --cjllw ʘ  TALK 03:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Suggest renaming article

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Article moved after uncontested move request >7 days  GB fan  07:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Gukumatz → Q'uq'umatz — The standardised modern Maya spelling for this deity, as used by Carmack etc. is Q'uq'umatz, Gukumatz is just one of many variants. Simon Burchell (talk) 18:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * support good idea.·Maunus· ƛ · 21:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Main picture
The picture seen on both the Kukulkan page as well as the Gucumatz page say that the ball court marker depicts their respective deities. This obviously can't be the case for the same picture, and since these deities are taken to be distinct ones and not just different names of the same deity a picture on one of the pages should be deleted or replaced. This isn't really a large issue, but I imagine on newer users and readers it may cause some sort of confusion. Kyle Tatum (talk) 09:16, 27 August 2016 (UTC)